analthema
― velko, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i get it that brett ratner is on the side of the polansks.
but kent jones? that is some fucked up shit.
― history mayne, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
considered by many to have suffered enough
For the avoidance of doubt, they're talking about a man who was locked up for 42 days for psychiatric evaluation after drugging and raping a thirteen-year-old.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link
going way back here, but tbh i don't think there's much of an argument to be made with "yes he is a rapist and yes he probably should serve time", it's not rocket science —
hoping to avoid seminar questions in the future like, "Why do we have to study Chinatown if Polanski was a rapist?"
This kind of thing always confuses me, maybe because I'm used to English students* — knowing anything about anything, even if they want to ask sophomoric questions about it, is good, and I think any educator worth their salt ought to be able to both deal with and acknowledge the value of that question. (A friend of mine doing Contemporary American Fiction for his MA went to a class on David Foster Wallace, and when they were talking about the story 'Suicide As A Sort Of Present', mentioned Wallace's suicide, which no one in the class was actually aware had happened, or was prepared to focus on the notion that it might be biographically relevant data)
* ... because I was one, not because I'm a professor or anything
― thomp, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
by "english students" i meant as in country of study, but admittedly both ways works
― thomp, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
David Thomson plays the dense card:
Of course, the charges were deadly serious and they are not much in dispute. Nor is it up to the girl to decide the matter. Yes, there are people who say "poor Roman Polanski". They remember the loss of his mother in Auschwitz; his own childhood, hunted by the police. They recall the night in 1969 when the Manson gang descended on a house on Cielo Drive in the Hollywood hills and slaughtered Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, the child she was carrying, as well as several others. By a weird coincidence, Susan Atkins, one of the Manson gang and someone who admitted knifing everyone in sight that night, died in prison only last week. It was said that Atkins had turned to God and good work, but she was never paroled just as Manson won't be if he lives to be 300.
You can argue that it's a very silly case, only possible in LA and with a judge who couldn't make up his mind. But any other judge is going to have to gauge where public opinion stands. Do people know who Polanski is? Do they remember the case? Should they care? What is the message passed to the public if Polanski is fined for the bail infraction while the original case is settled?
Polanski is 76. He has a wife in Paris now (the actor Emmanuelle Seigner) and they have two children. This is a case that the parents of children should decide.
― Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
highly ambiguous last sentence. let's hope the judge isn't, like, gay or something.
― history mayne, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
kingkongvsgodzilla, way up there, I mentioned Sleepers as another film I wouldn't want to watch again and meant Sleeper. I don't have anything against Kevin Bacon.
My only point was some of my favorite art just isn't worth watching anymore, but I'm not above selling it cheap rather than burning it.
― Zachary Taylor, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
"The idea of Roman Polanski incarcerated is an anathema and a situation that we, who have the privilege of making movies, cannot tolerate."
Oh, ok. you win. I wanted the guy locked up for raping a 13 year old, but since you who have the privilege of making movies can't tolerate it, I guess it can't happen. Nice work.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
All this talk of Polanski just reminds me that I still haven't seen The Tenant or Repulsion and that I should get around to watching them at some point.
So, you know, other people with similar reactions might be what causes sales of his movies to slightly increase.
― peter in montreal, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Is the general consensus here that Monica Belucci, Tilda Swinton, Debra Winger, etc. are just cluelessly backing their comrade?
I wonder what their thought process on this is.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
imo they are truly the most disgusting savages.
― ian, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
hollywood cronyism
― ( ´_ゝ˙) (Dr. Phil), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-30/polanskis-lost-alibi/
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
we, who have the privilege of making movies,
This is the grossest part of that whole petition. As if that makes them special snowflakes.
― The ever dapper nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
the thing is, it totally does make them special snowflakes ;_;
― a misunderstanding of Hip-Hop and contracts (HI DERE), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
special rape-rape snowflakes
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf @ the prosecutor lying to the documentary
― suggest friend (hmmmm), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
what a disaster for anally raped snowflakes
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Where's the thread where I request to see how many people I've suggest banned?
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i am trying to parse that "we who have the privilege" line. do they mean "we, who are not charged with crimes, and are lucky enough to continue making movies, should come to the defence of polanski"? surely they can't mean "we, who make movies and should therefore be treated differently"?
― caek, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I think you're being too generous.
― The ever dapper nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
"the thing is, it totally does make them special snowflakes ;_;"
It sure does, but not for the purpose of deciding who and who does not get prosecuted for crimes.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I think they're just acknowledging that being able to make movies is a privelege (as opposed to, say, a god-given right, or something that everybody does)
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
surely they can't mean "we, who make movies and should therefore be treated differently"?
^i believe that this is what they mean.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I think they're just acknowledging that being able to make movies is a privelege (as opposed to, say, a god-given right, or something that everybody does)― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:55 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:55 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how is that relevant to their point though?
― caek, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm starting to think they're just idiots.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
it's not relevant, they're just self-absorbed and feel compelled to mention how special (and of course, how GRATEFUL) they are
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
when one person who makes movies is imprisoned, ALL people who make movies are imprisoned DO YOU SEE
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
So many gays I'm banning.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Why are you banning people, Eric?
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:51 PM
If you can't even keep up with the number, wouldn't taking a break from the board be better?
xpost, good question
― Hugh Manatee (WmC), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Banning gays, at that.
― Oppositional Soup (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link
"an anathema"
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link
see upthread request to use a different thread to gangpile with moral indignation on his crime when the thread was created to celebrate his movies
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link
That said, suggest bans suddenly got fun. They're like a bowl of candy in the next cubicle over.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
dude you lost that one, let it go
― goole, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Have I really not suggest banned you until now?
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Do moderators/administrators here have the ability to split threads like they do on other forums?
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink you're a moron.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm sure he suggest banned you for that.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
can't we all just agree to suggest ban polanski and make peace with one another
― ian, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
No no this thread is ONLY for celebrating his movies. Any other purpose is verboten!
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm sure Eric didn't suggest ban-suggest ban anybody
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
not even "gays"?
― ian, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link
So is Pirates! any good? I've been afraid to check that one out.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Check with Dan.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I find this whole scandal great if it gets everyone to watch The Tenant.
You mean the Polanski-rape scandal or the Eric H.-Suggest Ban scandal?
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
agreed, or if it just gets his lawyers to declare him the King of Pop.
xp
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link