I have come to the conclusion that Mr Brightside by The Killers might just be the best song of the past ten years

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for some reason i get mtv2 on my television now even though i don't have cable and i saw this last night. is that felicity in the video?

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The video is awful, and is one of the reasons I initially didn't give the song a fair try.

Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

man it does look a lot like her, come to think of it.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I hated Somebody Told Me (Entertainment Weekly compared it to the Kinks, which is proof that they are the go-to band for sloppy writers) but think Mr. Brightside is pretty good from the few times I've heard it. It's the best thing on most radio stations.

Cunga (Cunga), Sunday, 1 May 2005 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I like it too.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Sunday, 1 May 2005 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I can honestly say that "Mr Brightside" was probably the best song of whatever month it was that I first heard it, like September 2004. So I can agree that it was the best song at least for one specific time frame. However, the best song of the past ten years is undoubtedly "Paranoid Android."

billstevejim (billstevejim), Sunday, 1 May 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

When you hear "Mr. Brightside" as one of five songs a DJ plays in a set on an alternative rock station, there's a fairly decent chance that it will be the best song out of the five.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Last five songs played on KROQ in LA, as of 5.1.05, 11:25am

Jimmy Eat World - "Get It Faster"
Rage Against The Machine - "Guerilla Radio"
The Postal Service - Such Great Heights
The Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated
Queens Of The Stone Age - Little Sister

rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 1 May 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed, "Mr. Brightside" is better than those songs.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 1 May 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Mr. Brightside" more but "Such Great Heights" and "Little Sister" rule. I'd probably include "I Wanna Be Sedated" but Jordan Catilano kind of killed it for me.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

and "Guerilla Radio" has that great Tom Morello faux-harmonica break! I've never heard the Jimmy Eat World song. Man, KROQ is awesome I guess.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah those are all great songs--haven't heard the JEW one (LOL) though.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 1 May 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Wanna Be Sedated" is ridiculously overplayed but it beats "Mr. Brightside" over the head with a baseball bat.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

It's funny I enjoy a Ramones album but in the context of radio or pop culture I find their random hits more annoying than Gary Glitter's

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, they only play like three of them over and over every damn day.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Last five songs played by BBC Radio 6

Idlewild - I Understand It
The Who - Happy Jack
Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #3 (Power Out)
Magic Numbers - Forever Lost
Sons And Daughters - Dance Me In

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 1 May 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

haha

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

miccio otm re: Little Sister

rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 1 May 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

and "Guerilla Radio" has that great Tom Morello faux-harmonica break! I've never heard the Jimmy Eat World song. Man, KROQ is awesome I guess.
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), May 1st, 2005.

KROQ mostly sux0rs monkey balls, but "Indie 103.1" here has pushed them to improve a bit. I got lucky on that pull though - coulda come up Papa Roach, Linkin Park, and that contemptible MCR/The Used cover of "Under Pressure." Which last track provides the double-whammy of performing two bands' worth of bukkake job all over one of the all-time great singles and making me loathe myself for scorning it since it's for such a good cause and all (yes, part of that good cause is reminding the world that MCR and The Used still exist, but still...)

There is a handy "last 5 tracks played" widget on the KROQ site though, so fun for the whole family.

But why are we having this conversation, anyway? "Mr. Brightside" isn't even the best song on Hot Fuss. (As all right-thinking people agree, that honor goes to the exuberantly shameless Cure knockoff "Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine.")

rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 1 May 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

unacceptable

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 1 May 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

assume you're referring to the "Under Pressure" cover

rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 1 May 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Linkin Park dis
2. MCR / Used dis

but what I was referring to

3. "Jenny Was a Friend of Mine" > "Mr. Brightside" (or "Somebody Told Me" or "Smile Like You Mean It")

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 1 May 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Just so long as we're clear on our referents :)

rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a pretty good song. they are a shitty band, though.

Aaron Zanders (AaronHz), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

by shitty i mean the singer needs to learn singing.

Aaron Zanders (AaronHz), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim F. got "Somebody Told Me" all summed up with:

"Unlike Starsailor, The Killers are perfect candidates for a Lu Cont makeover, perhaps because they sound like they should be making dance music instead of rock anyway, as the great-hooks-in-search-of-a-point conundrum of "Somebody Told Me" aptly demonstrates."

deej., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Rock music" =/ "Dance music" ???

What was the "point" of the hook to "Double Shot of My Baby's Love?"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

He means "dahnce" obviously.

deej., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"great-hooks-in-search-of-a-point conundrum" = no conundrum at all

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Something being "in search of a point" sounds like a conundrum to me.

deej., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

What is the "point" to the hook in "I Want to Hold Your Hand?"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

that he wanted to hold your hand

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Miccio is OTM, and its a very convincing performance, too.

deej., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post

There you go. The point to the hook in "Mr. Brightside" is that he is Mr. Brightside.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

He wasn't talking about mr. brightside, he was talking about "somebody told me."

deej., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I get this rock-not-dance/dance-not-rock dichotomy. Seems Tim's problem with the band is they're just too bombastic

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

and I don't think "Somebody Told Me" is pointless so much as clumsy

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I don't think those two contradict each other or anything.

deej., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The point to the hook in "Somebody Told Me" is that somebody told him that you had a boyfriend who looked like a girlfriend that he had in February of last year.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

the point of "somebody told me" is to sound flirtacious and decadent while (ironically enough) making people jump up and down and dance. I've seen it do its job.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

See, the problem is I think it fails in its mission, Tim E.

deej., Monday, 2 May 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What mission are you referring to, deej?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

It is very hard for British people of a certain age like me not to sing "I'm Norman Whiteside" to this choon.

"Somebody Told Me" is banal and pish compared to "Mr Whiteside".

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

As miccio said, they're trying to sound decandently flirtatious while making people jump up and down and dance. The problem is, although it has all these great hooks, it just sounds like a mess, sloppy.

deej., Monday, 2 May 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

these two aren't necessarily contradictory. its a very sloppy, herky-jerk flirtacious dance song.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

It's excellent, and that is that.

Czam, Monday, 2 May 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I disagree. But that's why i heart ILM. Because people are wrong a lot, and i can tell them so.

deej., Monday, 2 May 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"although it has all these great hooks, it just sounds like a mess, sloppy."

But, you know, they're a rock band! Think of how IMMACULATE it is compared to, say, the Pop Group.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

And why do I want rock music to be clean anyway?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I love The Killers' bombast! The "problem" (if it is one, which I never said) with "Somebody Told Me" is that it doesn't hang too well together as a finished product, it's all these little moments of brilliance patched together in such a manner that, for me, each moment doesn't feel like it necessarily leads to the next - this is kind of enjoyable actually, and when I use "conundrum" I simply mean that it has me scratching my head with a smile on my face.

"Mr. Brightside" and "Smile Like You Mean It" probably work better as songs qua songs, but I probably like them (in their original form anyways) a little bit less (the aristocatty vocals in the verses of "Smile Like You Mean It" are pretty ace though, I wonder if Stereophonics cross-bred them with Interpol's vocals to get that illustrious deep romanticism on the verses to "Dakota").

The JLC remix of "Mr. Brightside" has the best of both worlds, retaining the song's conceptual unity while adding and outperforming the melodic and sonic bombast of "Somebody Told Me". Where it sails miles above "Somebody Told Me" is that the combination of the two here allows for a really wholehearted sense of emotional immersion, whereas the open and unleavened silliness of "Somebody Told Me" creates a slight distancing effect ("Somebody Told Me" is the "Robot Rock" to the "Mr. Brightside" remix's "Digital Love").

"I'm not sure I get this rock-not-dance/dance-not-rock dichotomy."

Rock music can be dance music obv, but the concept of "rock" and all that it entails tends to enforce a level of coherence that The Killers really have to strain for and probably don't need (the fact that "Mr. Brightside" and "Smile Like You Mean It" hang together represents a triumph of pathos over logic). So when I say that The Killers might be better off as a dance act, it's insofar as they would not have to meet these expectations.

The one band that *no one* mentions as being an obvious precedent for all this stuff, and who I had at times a sneaking affection for, is the Space Monkeys. They struggled with similar issues, though in a cruder, blockier manner compared to The Killers' relative eyeliner suaveness.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link


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