NME's 'C86 Compilation'.... C&D, S&D, Say Something Interesting About, etc etc etc...

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yes... it did! i think the post-punk revival was fairly well covered.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

But there wasn't a specific "sound" to C81, the music was all different

Dadaismus (Gives You The Big Reassure) (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

And so much better.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Well yes, obviously, but a different thing altogether

Dadaismus (Gives You The Big Reassure) (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:38 (seventeen years ago) link

As different as the Brotherhood of Breath were to the Brotherhood of Man.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I stayed at Amelia Fletcher and the other feller from Heavenly's house once. They were very nice.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you see her in her knickers?

I ask that question as a public service, rather than for my own ends.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't ask on my account

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Soz, no.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Not the same Nicky Wire who plays in the Manic Street Preachers who used to go on about how shit and unambitious and grey C86 was and how the only two important groups in the world were Public Enemy and Guns N' Roses, then.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, funny that isn't it?

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

lex would have liked the early manics, i think -- wasn't all that stuff classic nme-bait? they were the ultimate interviews band.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes but guitars ew.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex has better taste than that!

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

http://bani.anime.net/o_rly.jpg

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"OK so you steal Bachelor Pad titles for your crappy "celebration" but you try finding their music on CD. Ya bastids!"

Hear, hear!

Later period stuff is possibly forthcoming: http://www.eggrecords.co.uk/future.asp

I have Tales of Hoffmann on cd. But what about the Warholasound period?

everything (everything), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm sure i once saw a Bachelor Pad cd with all their early stuff on it.
i passed it by and have regreted it ever since.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

It must have been the cd of "Tales of Hoffmann" on Imaginary. Albums of Jack/Do it for Fun etc have never been on cd.

everything (everything), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

There were also landmark albums that year from artists as diverse as Elvis Costello, Billy Bragg, Miles Davis and Prince

Selective music history as David Cameron would appreciate it. No nasty Def Jam hip hop there!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

all history is selective, to be fair.

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

How an NME cassette launched indie music

No it didn't

C86, the unassuming mail-order cassette compiled by NME, through which the indie sound and scene first coalesced

No it didn't

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Later period stuff is possibly forthcoming: http://www.eggrecords.co.uk/future.asp

It's been forthcoming for yonks, with no end in sight

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

It's the sort of record collection a Cameron voter would have ("Billy Bragg, oh that reminds me of my student days, his politics are a bit embarrassing now aren't they darling?").

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think the artists were "baffled" by black music either, but still...

I don't think many Billy Bragg fans defected to the Tory ranks. I could be wrong though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think the artists were "baffled" by black music either, but still...

I don't think many of them listened to it either

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I think a lot of black folks may well have been baffled by the C86 crew, if they ever got off their black asses to listen to it.

"Later period stuff is possibly forthcoming: http://www.eggrecords.co.uk/future.asp
It's been forthcoming for yonks, with no end in sight"

Hence the "possibly". Jim Kavanagh showed up on the "forthcoming from LTM" thread to talk about this a while ago:

"The Bachelor Pad
The track listing is still undecided for various reasons .. however it will have the original version of "girl of your dreams" (from original tape) as released with my fanzine of the time "simply thrilled" (and others). Warhola singles maybe (anyone know the whereabouts of Mike Stout), rarities maybe. There is so many.

I have the 7 songs from the "frying tonight" concert will possibly release at some point maybe as a download "EP"... thats one of the reasons the track listing is still undecided, there too many options!

Remember Fun

I have "re-mastered" the original "train journey" etc demo, sounds fine, there seemed to a story around at the time of the matinee single that masters where lost - I had some (but not all). The guys are recording some new songs (original band) 'cos they wanted to.

Even As We Speak

Possibly rare/unreleased stuff, watch this space as they say but it all takes soooooo long.

I couldnt say why Oz labels are not interested (hey they know where I am if they want to help!)

I also have plans for releases from Lets Go Naked. Not as well known as EAWS/Lighthouse Keepers but excellent.

Thanks for the interest and yeah I found the "chicken rhythmn" reference, Its a long thread!

Jim


-- Jim Kavanagh (inf...), October 28th, 2005.

everything (everything), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

FWIW, Bachelor Pad's "Jack & Julian" is on the new comp. Dubbed off my actual 7" copy.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Good. I was wondering if they would use the album version or not.

By the way, the "Wot no love for the Bachelor Pad" thread is still getting no love, languishing unanswered for two years so far.

everything (everything), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the problem with finding the master tapes? They were all recorded at the same studio, somebody must have them somewhere? Where's Beanie gone??!?!??!

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Did the compilers of this CD try to get in contact with people connected with the bands represented? Or is that a silly question?

The sun sets on twelve tons of pickled onions. A dynasty is dying... (Dada), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Harvey, any idea how many of these tracks are dubbed from vinyl?

everything (everything), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

>>>Did the compilers of this CD try to get in contact with people connected with the bands represented?

Yes, they tracked down as many band members as they could. I certainly supplied Sanctuary with addresses/emails of as many of the bands as I knew, and generally (the indie network being what it is), someone knew someone else & so on.

>>>Harvey, any idea how many of these tracks are dubbed from vinyl?

No idea. Another Sunny Day's contribution is certainly from a mastertape, but as that tape is a 20-year old Maxell C90, it's never going to sound great.

And that's the point, I think. As often as not, a mint vinyl copy will provide as good -if not better- a remastering source as an old mastertape. Tape is prone to all sorts of deterioration issues (hence the need for "baking" old tapes prior to replay). If a mint vinyl copy can be found, it's simply a case of recording that from a top-end vinyl player.
I've not listened to the compilation analytically yet (too busy loving the music & reveling in the memories), but the sound seems fairly top-notch to me. All except "Sunday To Saturday", whose right channel has peak distortion throughout. Which is a real shame. But as John Peel might say, "life has peak distortion throughout".

harvey.w (harvey.w), Saturday, 28 October 2006 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently there is an exhibition at the ICA. I am going to try to find that, I think.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Saturday, 28 October 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

But for this weekend only, Pinefox!

harvey.w (harvey.w), Saturday, 28 October 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I have BOUGHT the CD86 compilation with my own money. I haven't had chance to listen to it yet though.

Ha ha, some of you are now in my house!

It is nice how many of the writing credits are on first name terms only, eg "Sean".

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I would like to see that exhibition. Too late? Bah.

I would aslo like to see the Some Bizarre exhibition near Russell Square, but you have to ring the bell to gain entry and I am worried about that.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, you know, ring a door bell and ask to see some bizarre.

What could possibly happen?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone fancy helping with this?

www.hungrybeat.com

harvey.w (harvey.w), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:52 (seventeen years ago) link

There used to be a record shop behind the Imperial War Museum entitled These Records.

The frontage was totally blank. Unless you knew it was there you could never find it.

You had to ring the bell to gain access.

I did so frequently.

I was always let in.

There were no sinister overtones.

However the shop has since ceased trading.

So perhaps the blank frontage was deleterious from a marketing point of view.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Mark Sinker's response upthread (the first answer to the orig question) was the most OTM.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Best British "indie" record to be released in 1986: In The Good Old Country Way by the Nightingales.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Played with them last week in Brighton. Alas they're not doing anything from that album anymore now that Pete 'Tank' Byrchmore has left - he did the slide guitar on ITGOCW.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

You just can't beat - rockin with the Tank - so how about rockin there tank?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

not for the first time, I covered a song from C86

http://soundcloud.com/pinefox/therese

the pinefox, Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:29 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

I have been listening to the 3CD C86 compilation.

First CD is, I think, the original tape then extras; then two more CDs of other material from the year.

First two CDs a bit disappointing, if anything -- basically because they didn't correspond to the myth or legend of C86 as a genre; they're often not poppy, jangly, etc; the original C86 just was not the same as the idea constructed retrospectively. Some might say it was more interesting. There are influences from The Fall, noise, sneering - mostly not my kind of thing.

The third CD though seems to show the aesthetic (as it would later be seen) cohering more and I enjoy it best.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 08:33 (six years ago) link

Disc 1 is just the original tape, there's no extras. Well, apart from they used the wrong version of the Pastels song, it's the version from the Truck Train Tractor 12" instead, which is particularly annoying since that's one of or perhaps the only song that isn't available anywhere else. But that's fairly typical for Cherry Red records.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 6 April 2018 09:22 (six years ago) link

So the tape was 22 tracks ?!

I need to read the sleevenotes properly.

Velocity Girl, Therese, It's Up To You -- all tremendous. Otherwise not very convinced by that first disc.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 10:04 (six years ago) link

Worst things on it: probably Stump and Half Man Half Biscuit.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 April 2018 10:04 (six years ago) link


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