Sublime: Classic or Dud

besides man what does being fat have anything to do with making good records?

it has *everything* to do with making good records

Today I will bow my head in remembrance of him. Today I will bow my head in remembrance of him stumbling down Long Beach Blvd smacked out on heroin. Today I will remember Sublime for what they were: A 3rd rate Bad Brains. Today I will bow my head in remembrance...while taking a dump.

Personally I think that a lot of Bradley's lyrics are meaningful and powerful, and if you dont, then whatevers that's totally fine, you don't have to listen to them at ALL. I feel privelidged to be able to listen to sublime and take in all of the emotion and soul that Bradley put into every song. If all the nay-sayers on this thread dont get that, then I guess I kinda feel sorry that they dont get out of it what I do, but i dont think that is any reason to bash them back. I cant believe such hardcore Sublime fans say shit like "ned Raggett is a Fagget" and "You fuckin' fags only listen to whats on MTV and you shop at Hollister and have gay looking hair cuts". I mean I dont understand where all of this anger and offensiveness comes from, but I dont get any of that feeling from Sublime or Bradley.

In the words of Bradley himself "Good music is good music, and that should be enough for anybody." So why doesnt everyone just listen and let listen, so to speak, and just at LEAST stop all this stupid name calling, POINTLESS arguments, and short cheap shots like calling them a 3rd rate Bad Brains?

P.S. Although it may be HARD for some of you guys to believe, but I haven't smoked weed for 2 years now, and BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!! I still like sublime, so lets just stop that generalization shall we?

To say the best song they ever did was "doin' time" and then take credit away from them for making it by acrediting ALL of the greatness of the song to gershwin is a slightly inconsequential argument. Where is the fact printed the "doin' time" is their best song? Is this your opinion? If it is your opinion, based on no real data, made simply from observing what you think might be true, then it is quite irrelevant. Furthermore to discount all of what Sublime did to create the song is underappreciating all that they actually did. Although Doin' Time is based off of Summertime by Gershwin from Porgy and Bess, the two songs are far from identical. The line "summertime and the living's easy" is the only line in common from the two songs. The genre for both songs are very different, and the tempos are both very different. So, to say that "doin' time" was made because of Gershwin is really pointless, I mean it's a cover for christ sake. However, it is really one of the more dissimilar covers of any that I have heard. By your standards, Save Ferris and Jimi Hendrix should both get no credit for their songs "Come on Eileen" and "All Along the Watchtower" respectively. A cover is a cover, and the song "Doin' Time" is a fantastic one, and its popularity and quality should not discount the musical prowess and quality of Sublime as a band. (sERIOUSLY)...

actually i really like sublime, NIRB, though i should have phrased my post in a manner that suggested i didn't

I see no fault with this man singing in Sublime.

Nowell was cremated and his ashes were distributed over the water of his favorite surf spot, Surfside.

that's nice

All these thread revives, Jon, and you don't link to this story instead:

Rivas and a group of friends from Northern Los Angeles traveled to Orange County that day to visit the grave of Bradley Nowell, a guitarist for the popular band Sublime, who died of a heroin overdose at a San Francisco hotel in 1996.

Sublime was a popular 1990s era band that performed reggae, punk, ska, funk and hip hop music. Nowell fronted the band, which originated in Long Beach.

Later that evening, during the birthday gathering at the hotel, Rivas said “I think I saw God at the beach.”

Rothwell responded, according to witnessed, “I am the Devil… Don’t tell me about God.”

She then grabbed a small knife from her purse and stabbed Rivas in the neck while he stood on a balcony, severing the jugular.

oh my :X

oh good Ned you're here. I wanted to let you know that your critical perspective had a bad blindspot right there in 90s radio rock...conflating Bradley Nowell with Fred Durst or Mark McGrath is a pretty grave error in judgement...Sublime certainly made a mistake that many bands before them made (confusing the power of 'black' musical genres with the machismo of some of their practitioners) but ther misogyny was prolley no worse than anything Led Zeppelin did (and far better than anything RHCP did).

Thanks, I think.

besides "breaking the girl" and "soul to squeeze," of course. will it save RHCP from the middling shame of being known as the most average band ever? Stay tuned!

D A. M

sorry that was a bit more priggish then I actually intended to be when i first conceived it.

point is: Mark McGrath and Fred Durst would both have to stand on a tall ladder to kiss Bradley Nowell's ass...Nowell not only could play an instument pretty well, but he actually had a bit of loose jazzy improvisational songwriting style (see STP), at least some of what he has to say about the opposite sex is more thoughtful and considered than "I did it all for the nookie."

Plus Sublime has done the best Grateful Dead cover in the last fifteen or twenty years.

was that still priggish?

Hey, if Alice in Chains can do it.

that is so fuckt bro i cant belive their doin it w/o brad

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New Sublime Video - Extras Needed (Hollywood)

Date: 2011-05-11, 10:40AM PDT
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The Rock band Sublime is back with new front man Rome. We are shooting their first music video in 15 years in Hollywood on Sat, 5/14/11. $50.00, meals, credit. Please read the casting call below.

Sublime Extras:
Male and female roles. Must be sexy/attractive. Must be over 18 but look like they could be younger. Must have a gritty LA skate/punk vibe to them. Must come camera ready. Wardrobe is skate/punk attire. Think "Lords of Dogtown" or "Wussup Rockers".

Fuck, I'm not "sexy/attractive". Also don't look 18 or younger. Also don't have a "gritty LA skate/punk vibe". Also don't live near Hollywood. Also don't want to be in a Sublime video.

u should audition

i could totally do it, but i think i'd rather just smoke a j and listen to "What I Got" on repeat

wussup rockers

santoria was just on the radio O_O

(as it is every day, multiple time a day)

i ain't got no crystal ball, y'all!

god sublime is probably the worst band ever, among my top 3-5 most hated

really? they still have a few songs I like, though I was def a dumbshit upthread w/ Ned...

They had a few decent songs, but they are a classic example of a band ruined by their boneheaded audience.

boneheaded music too iirc

like obviously there's super dumb shit like "date rape" but looking at a list of their songs just brings home the lols

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_63032/sublime/songs

This band is supposed to suck, but I'm enjoying their self-titled album quite a bit! Fun and catchy! Haven't been able to get into 40 Ounces of Freedom yet though.

(Fuck you, mang!)
(I got a bone to pick)

(Don't sit, don't trip)
I'm cutting hits like Bert Susanka's got the shrimp dip
I get it, get it, get it, get it all the time
People wants to know the meaning of the word Sublime
It's anarchist, man, it's the shit you missed
We get the Minuteman loops and add a Peni twist
Cause we know you love the pit, but this is the shit
That you put in the box and say "Damn, it's a hit, boy!"
And at all the radios and the T.V. shows
Cause we don't kiss no ass or kick down free shows
What you get is the kind, no gang, no cess
When Yellow Lover's on the D-R-U-M-S

This is one of the bands that I go back and forth between loving or hating.

It’s the nostalgia goggles talking... they appealed to most people in college/late high school in the late 90’s and in the right context they were a perfect soundtrack, also the mid to late 90’s had some of the worst popular rock music so I’d still take the party playing Sublime over the party playing shit like Live, Our Lady Peace, Silverchair, Candlebox, et al.

If I take that goggles off they are frat white dude funk music that fails most of the time.

If I’m in one of those rare “every music I hear sounds great” phases, then I appreciate the quirkiness in his guitar playing and his voice, how good the bass usually sounds and the wasted potential. Usually I think they’re a very bland, mediocre band that just became this sort of flagpole music for a certain type of people because the singer offed himself right in the middle of their most succesful album.

I got to know all of Sublime's hits through MIDI files first

By your standards, Save Ferris and Jimi Hendrix should both get no credit for their songs "Come on Eileen" and "All Along the Watchtower" respectively.

For some reason I felt the need to put on "What I Got" for my 8-year-old tonight. Now, at a distance, I don't care anymore who used to be into this band. This song is perfect, so light and yet so rich in thrilling detail. Did people think this was supposed to be ska? It doesn't sound anything like ska. It sounds like itself. It sounds like what you wanted to sound like when you fucked around with your shitty acoustic guitar. This is some eternity-level pop.

It's a good song, it makes me want to keep hustling.

easily in my top 200 all-time. I don't think I have another song that sounds quite like it. still gets played all the time. still sounds fresh every time I play it.

Oh wow, is it safe to come above ground now and wear my 40 oz. tshirt openly once again, or is this some kind of elaborate sting operation?

Counterpoint: it's a shitty song.

And no it's not ska, no one says it is

Today, SiriusXM’s Grateful Dead Channel was playing a Sublime cover of “Scarlet Begonias,” which felt like high crimes & treason.

Love's what I got
Don't start a riot

That's a cool cover, with the funky drummer loop xp

I often think that Thanx would make a good poll, but every time I start to divide it up, it ends up looking like it would have to be 4 or 5 separate polls or something and I give up.

One thing that I learned from reading the lyrics though, is that there were sections that were largely dedicated to rap and reggae artists at the end that were cut from the CD versions. I had an old Skunk Records copy of the 40oz to Freedom cassette though and don't remember those verses being on there.

Alright, before we get it started:
When we did, "Smoke Two Joints", that was jacked from the Toyes
And that song, "Rivers of Babylon" was written by B. Dowe and F. McNaughton

Alright now, crucial thanks out to the Happoldt, Nowell, and Wilson families for their patience and support. We love y'all! To all the players who made this possible: thank you very much! (Yeah, the check's in the mail.) To Kelly Vargas for steppin' in there and makin' it happen. To LBP, the world famous Juice Bros, the Field-Marshall Goodman and the man called Floyd-I. Thanks out to Bad Religion; the Descendents; George Hurley; and Mike Watt. To all those flops, but only when they ain't hangin' out; to Toby dog-(whistles)-to Louie dog, to Matt dog. James Brown; the BSM, to Miles Davis; To Ken the All Night Rocker; to South Side Pat and Cathrene --- whazzup dude?! and, alright, now best wishes out to Ino and Shelly, and their baby on the way

Hey, up to Jimi Hendrix to Beer; to Sonic Lizard; the Rapeman; how about Bob Marley, Bob Dobbs, and Bob Forrest; to all those punker sluts; to Eek-a-Mouse; Tom for lettin' us practice; and Crass; chilling, and partying all night; Peni; Fugazi; Rhino '59, Reek One; the Last Pariahs; and Naomi's Hair. How about the Butthole Surfers, and Frank Zappa? ANB, Big Drill Car; Bert Suzanka and all the Ziggens' around the world; to Jack the Third; to Julia Parker

Hey, Jeff the King, where's my mic stands? Martini with his 40oz in hand. To Jai Dodds, and his son Christian. I gotta say thank you to Scum; Hard as Smoke and Cheap as Wood; to Scumette; and the Vandals. How about H.R. for 'nuff inspiration, 'nuff respect? Hey, Nik "Tweak"; Joanne; and Carolyn. Hey, I gotta say whazzup to fuckin' Snow, and Bam-Bam and all the East Side Stoners. St. Tucko; Shawn Stern; the Kenji Easley Project; Steve Zepeda; and Richard Greco and everyone down at Bogart's. Thanks a million. I gotta say what's up and thank you to Dave Shea and Greg A. Without them, this wouldn't be possible. (Oh yeah, your mom called and said you guys should take a nap!) To Sacramento; BMD; and Danny Lovitz out in Arcata. I gotta say thank you to Diet Fade; Imagining Yellow Suns; every one out at Ben is Dead; Kevin Swinson; Frija; Cold Duke Train; and Wister; and how could I not thank Mark Mandoo, and the One Live Crew; and all the Lakewood posse? Mr. Capoo; and the Antioch posse, especially the Johnson family --- whazzup, Ms. J.?

I gotta say whazzup to Dirty Al; Jennifer Henry, and Kelly, too, out in San Fransico; Lisa Johnson in Austin; Tonto; Jimmy Carl Black; Mercado Caribe in Austin. Thanks a lot, Lee, for gettin' us in out of the heat! Jimmy's in New Orleans; the Hardback in Gainsville, Florida; Mark Goodnight for his psycho pad -- alright, we stayed at this guy's house, and when they had them murders back in, like, '89, a guy and a girl got hacked up in his pad and we stayed there, but, ya know, it was great! --; to Jack Tripper (even though he don't know a goddamn thing about Orlando!); to Ingrid in Arcata; Rusty; Bermuda Pete; and Sara; Shannon Boyle; to the Spacefish (sorry guys, maybe next time); NKOTB in Costa Mesa; the OK Hotel in Seattle; to Joel, for gettin' us that shit at Waves. (We needed that, man. Thanks, bro!) To Ninja Man; Tam; D'arby Crash; D. Boon; Alex and Eka (come visit, goddamn it!); Grin; Craig Caskey; Dave Kornblum; Beth Larson; to everyone at the Church of Rock and Roll

We gotta say whazzup to Cori and her best friend Georgie; the Meat Puppets; Tar Babies; Kate and Frank out at Zed's; Scott down at Ten Ton; every one down there at Deja, thanks; CMJ enterprises; Molly Cantrell; Courtney Beat-mon; the Mecca Parks and Recreations Department --- fuck Twentynine Palms! ---; hey Lisa G., what up, punk? To Kimmy, for "Scarlet" Inspirations; to Bus Face; to Soup-lime; and the Mentors

We gotta say thank you to the entire hip-hop community, especially the man they call Just ICE; Kris Parker, more commonly known as KRS-One, for 'nuff inspiration; D-Nice; Queen Latifah; Shelly Thunder; the motherfucking trigger-happy Geto Boys and Public Enemy Number 1; NWA, and the man they call Ice Cube and the goddamn Lench Mob. Don't let me forget Cypress Hill and the whole Southgate Posse - You guys are in the house

Scott Cunningham, motherfucking Peace; Gina G.; that long-haired soundman dude; Prince Jammy and the Scientist, gwarn!!! Ini Kamoze; Tenor Saw; Super Cat; Major Mackerel, Daddy Tiger, Major Worries; Half-Pint; U-Roy; Daddy Lizard; and everyone on the Redman Superpowered, gwan; Shinehead and Shabba; the Beastie Boys; Maggie and Jules, and the Arlington Crew; Ranco Tires on Anaheim and Orange --- "Always the Lowest Prices!"---; and YOU! Peace and Unity, and we're out for now. I'll see ya!

wow never knew about those extra shout outs

I recently discovered the half pint track that “what I got”’s chorus is based off