OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

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IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A RACIST "MOTIVE" THERE IS A GIGANTIC BODY OF RACIST ICONOGRAPHY THAT THAT BOTTLE OPENER FITS PERFECTLY INTO JESUS CHRIST I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"I've got this uncle, Uncle Leo - every time he sees a bottle opener with big teeth, he thinks it's anti-semitism."

there are three types of people in this life:

1. people who didn't know Ronaldinho is mostly famous for having massive big gums 'n' teeth (being the best footballer in the world comes a close second) and therefore can be forgiven for thinking the bottle opener is racist as long as they now rescind their views in light of this new information,

2. people who, in full possession of the denticular (warning: may not be real word) facts, believe this bottle opener to be racist, and who are consequently just plain wrong, and

3. people who think this is a quality item celebrating the gigantic gnashers of a certified genius, albeit one who has a tendancy to showboat instead of, you know, just getting the job done.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

they've made a product that resembles a canonical odious racist image--again, it was my first association upon seeing the bottle-opener

I have to say, it wasn't mine. I saw Ronaldinho as a bottle opener, and LMAO. Because I didn't even THINK it was in any way racist I showed it to my (black) co-worker and he also laughed too hard, again not seeing how it could be racist. Maybe it's just cos us Britishers know Ronildinho and his massive teeth better than the USers.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

showboat

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah okay Nick if you're blissfully unaware of racist caricatures of bucktoothed east Asians (reaching their apex during a war I'm pretty sure British people remember) then it's kind of hard to take you seriously as an even-handed judge of bottle openers versus historically racist representations.

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe british people are just stupid????

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

haha 'showboat' was an obvious trap there

― onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that's the ticket dude. Good thinkin'!

― dan m, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I couldn't find any bottle openers for this guy:

http://www.mraksports.com/product/elway_bobble_hof.jpg

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/08/cc/f7/f9_1.JPG

If any of the British don't know who John Elway is, suffice to say that it was serendipity that he played for the Denver BRONCOS.

http://www.leadingauthorities.com/images/Elway_John.jpg

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.worldcupjapankorea.com/famous-soccer-players/ronaldo/ronaldo-wallpapers/ronaldo-wallpaer.jpg

"Hi, my name is Ronaldo and I was famous for being a badly-toothed footballing genius from Brazil before he was. hence the silly bit at the end of his name."

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

MOD: PLS MAKE THIS BIT BOLD AND MAYBE RED, AND CAN IT BLINK TOO MAYBE

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A RACIST "MOTIVE" THERE IS A GIGANTIC BODY OF RACIST ICONOGRAPHY THAT THAT BOTTLE OPENER FITS PERFECTLY

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit, my friend's mom brought some of that green tea favoured darlie stuff from thailand. it was awesome.

luke chadwick:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41821000/jpg/_41821338_chadwick203.jpg

UMM NOT ILLEGAL KTHX

― Will M., Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

(I should point out I find this thread more funny than offensive because WOW CULTURAL GULF)

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

non-shocker

― dan m, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost)

― dan m, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Horseshoe, HI DERE, dan m, and what, Nabisco, ghost rider, Mr Que OTM.

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

haha omg this thread

ethan, plz 2 disable hair-trigger race alarm on innocent britisher thread about football*

*soccer

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe Dan picked up on the 'Show Boat' reference I'd shoehorned in to signpost my hidden racist agenda. Or not so hidden, as it turns out.

http://tokyo.blog.lemonde.fr/files/mitsuhirato.thumbnail.jpg

Herge got the Japanese joke.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

OK never mind, not Dan M, I was misreading him.

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

hahahah every american is ethan, i suppose we ALL LOOK THE SAME TO YOU

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

we are all and what now

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

stop pretending like Ethan's being difficult. many, if not all, the Americans on this thread are on the same page.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost with ghost rider

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I am 'Merican and I don't think it's racist, but that just must be my middle class white male prejudice speaking right?

― dan m, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost So did Dr. Seuss.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~hist32/History/Seuss01.jpg

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

What I want to know is, did it really go for $12,000 on eBay? And if so, who to?

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

what ilx2 needed was a britisher vs american race debate that also involves soccer

This sentence actually made me cry with laughter.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i was gonna paste a dr seuss cartoon earlier - 'WHAT?? HIROHITO REALLY DID HAVE YELLOW SKIN AND BUCK TEETH AND MAYBE HE WORE A COOLIE HAT ONCE...."

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

xxpost: Ronaldinho's Mum. only a mum could love those teeth.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

what ilx2 needed was a britisher vs american race debate that also involves soccer

This ~~sentence~~ actually made me cry ~~with laughter.~~

HI DERE on Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:31 PM (5 seconds ago)

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah okay, I get why the image itself fits in with a lot of racially stereotypical stuff down the years, but as the Brits are saying, it's drawing attention (and paying AFFECTIONATE homage) to his somewhat exaggerated teeth. Race didn't enter into ANY of our (British) considerations.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe you shouldnt brag about your ignorance

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.vortrupp.de/humor/pics/bullshit.jpg

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait AFFECTIONATE!! i know if i was a black 'footballer' i would cherish the paternalistic horse-racing style affection of white british 'football' fans

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not ignorance, Ethan, it's an entirely different mindset.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A RACIST "MOTIVE" THERE IS A GIGANTIC BODY OF RACIST ICONOGRAPHY THAT THAT BOTTLE OPENER FITS PERFECTLY INTO JESUS CHRIST I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

horseshoe on Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:15 PM (18 minutes ago)

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A RACIST "MOTIVE" THERE IS A GIGANTIC BODY OF RACIST ICONOGRAPHY THAT THAT BOTTLE OPENER FITS PERFECTLY INTO JESUS CHRIST I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

horseshoe on Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:15 PM (18 minutes ago)
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A RACIST "MOTIVE" THERE IS A GIGANTIC BODY OF RACIST ICONOGRAPHY THAT THAT BOTTLE OPENER FITS PERFECTLY INTO JESUS CHRIST I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

horseshoe on Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:15 PM (18 minutes ago)

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mythfolklore.net/3043mythfolklore/images/remus/watermelon.jpg

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/leniafrica2.jpg

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

^^^ nazis be paying homage

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

FITS PERFECTLY INTO = can be made to fit into if taken entirely out of context

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's somewhat laudable to be at a stage where iconography like that is tied directly to one person and is not indicative of an entire culture.

Having said that, if you can recognize WHY someone would associate that bottle opener with largely racist iconography, don't foist this disingenuous "oh but I just don't UNDERSTAND why you'd think it was racist!" bullshit on us. So far, the most cogent argument has come from Johnny B, largely because he simply said, "It never occurred to me to look at it that way" and didn't spend time lambasting people who DID associate it with darkie-deco.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

dear britishers and americaners,

no one fucking cares

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

― dan m, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

So should Ronaldinho never be caricatured because he happens to be a buck toothed black man? Isn't picking such features out the whole point of caricature? While I'm at it, since when was having big fucking gums a black stereotype?

― onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

can someone point me to the non-racist history of stuff that looks like this bottle opener? like, anything else?

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

you can't just go through the world all willfully blind to this stuff, though, guys! it's there whether you acknowledge it or not. I kind of hate race, too, and wish I could be free of ever thinking about it again, but this is the world we inherited.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan (that is who HI DERE is, right?) totally OTM x 1000.

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

While I'm at it, since when was having big fucking gums a black stereotype?

WAHT

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

(ps, yeah, I'm Dan)

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

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