I HATE APPLE

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (10189 of them)
Are you at Pentagon City, Tombot? Turn back, turn back. Get computer while still can and get out of store.

Although I do remember there being a fairly competent Britishers genius replacing ipods left and right when I was there.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

My case was deferred to Britishes by a large samoan-looking fellow with glasses and ambitious facial hair. Britishes also just handed the folks next to me two brand-new 4GB Nanos because their batteries were being shit!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

$900 worth of motherboard work for free! Should be back on Wedensday with no HD wiping or anything.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

TBH every customer service person I've ever met who was of British descent has been incredibly competent, polite and professional

that's weird: the only remotely useful CS dude i've dealt with recently was a bloke called ryan in the states somewhere.

plus ca something-or-other, or something.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it????

Based on the (admittedly) small sampling of laptops and work environments I've run across, I'll give you even odds that most MacBook Pro users are only using Microsoft Office - specifically Entourage, Word, and PowerPoint. Most of them don't care how much RAM they have, they only care that it's not the "low end" model, it runs PowerPoint, can connect to an Exchange server, will output to some sort of LCD projector, and connect to an iPod.

Even in graphic, video, film, audio freak central here in LA - most of the users I run across are Office people and that's it. The geek crowd are already going to max out their RAM from Kingston or Crucial so there's no incentive for Apple to put more RAM in it - especially given the constant volatility of the RAM market.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Since Office requires Rosetta, that makes it even worse. Office don't run for shit on an Intel Mac with 512MB.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally witnessed some major iTunes fuckery on a friends laptop last week. It began with a freeze, then a forced restart wherein the blinking '?' appeared over and over after many boots. Booted from the install disk to run Disk Utility and hard drive could not be found?! Gave up. Next day, reset PRAM on a whim and it started up... but Disk Utility failed to run with an error message. Turns out the error was AN ITUNES FILE WHICH HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WHILE DISK UTILITY RAN THEN PUT BACK IN WTF ITUNES WTF ITUNES WTFITUNESWTFITUENSKFJKGLWRJGjg

Lmaoborghini (eman), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

512MB RAM is not "Pro", is my only point.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

if all they run is office, why bother having a Mac?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG Tom

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

if all they run is office, why bother having a Mac?

They "heard it was better."

Seriously, that's the reason they give. I wasn't going to argue with them since they were paying me to set things up, but in a few of the cases the client bought an iPod at a Apple store (because iPods are an It Item) and then decided to buy a new laptop while they're at it.

Meanwhile, they want to connect it to a corporate network via some weird VPN protocol, connect to an Exchange server, sync to their Blackberry, blah blah blah. To be fair, I like these types of clients more than the OS jihadists though.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

if all they run is office, why bother having a Mac?

it's this amazing new invention called "choice".

sorry, kyle, what's your point here? i'm not exactly a power user. should i not be allowed a mac either? fuck's sake, we should be happy people are buying the bloody things ... ten years ago i'd have bet good money apple was on the way out.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 06:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Apple's reputation for shipping machines without enough RAM really goes back to the first Mac - and the decision to ship the first Mac with only 128k was made directly by Steve Jobs. Even the fact that they were potentially upgradable to 512k had to be kept a secret from him by the engineering team.

But then, nowadays they have a hugely bloated OS. My PC runs fine in 512M, and has quite a lot more stuff running on it than your average Mac.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 07:09 (seventeen years ago) link

not to mention that running a Mac means no spyware or virus worries (yet.)

I've always been appalled that Macs don't come loaded to the gills with more RAM.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

OK did no one else see the Eli of All Cosmos up there??????

Also, grimley, I'm fairly certain his point was "Why purchase a more expensive machine if it will only run Office?" and, quite frankly son, your answer needs work.

ps the real answer is that theoretically the damn things should work better than that, kyle.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know TOM's flickr links never work. Perhaps the photo is flagged private?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Hijacking a Macbook in 60 Seconds or Less

The video shows Ellch and Maynor targeting a specific security flaw in the Macbook's wireless "device driver," ... While those device driver flaws are particular to the Macbook -- and presently not publicly disclosed -- Maynor said the two have found at least two similar flaws in device drivers for wireless cards either designed for or embedded in machines running the Windows OS. Still, the presenters said they ultimately decided to run the demo against a Mac due to what Maynor called the "Mac user base aura of smugness on security."

"We're not picking specifically on Macs here, but if you watch those 'Get a Mac' commercials enough, it eventually makes you want to stab one of those users in the eye with a lit cigarette or something," Maynor said.

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the second one should work! since i do them by actually pasting screenshots into PAINT and then "Save As" it originally had a bunch of stupid underlines for spelling and grammar (UH) and it looked like amateurish dribble. so I deleted it 30 seconds after uploading. much like the horrible photo of myself i took with photobooth.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, grimley, I'm fairly certain his point was "Why purchase a more expensive machine if it will only run Office?"

nah, that's a "they" meaning "they", not, er, "they".

kyle?

and hey, i think keeping a major corporation alive is a dandy reason for buying a mac. i mean, it's apple! lookit the little stripy logo and ... it smiles when you turn it on! and you have to hug it to find the switch! and ... HEY, HANG ON, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUCKING MACS I KNEW AND LOVED?

cunts.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

dude fuck a cutesy faux socialist corporation in its happy face ear.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

On that note,
good thing for him he made that Disney deal.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Also last night we decided if the Apple ads were attempting to express a more accurate metaphor for how computers would behave if they were human beings, the Mac dude would all of a sudden vomit copious amounts of blood in the middle of a sentence followed by the PC guy violently voiding his colon and going blind.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

OK so in the latest dilemma of how to deal with being screwed, should I:

A) Get another Genius appointment and take this [still kernel-panicking for no reason even with brand new motherboard iMac] back to the Store for more warranty-enabled service work, or;

B) Call Applecare as soon as they open at 9am EST and ask how to exchange this "build-to-order" POS for another "build-to-order" iMac without paying some goddamn restocking fee, or how to get my $2000 back.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Results 1 - 10 of about 51,800 for lemon Intel iMac. (0.12 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 295,000 for Intel iMac faulty motherboard. (0.55 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,840,000 for Intel iMac logic board replaced. (0.35 seconds)

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Get your money back. This is some bullshit.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I was all primed to buy an Intel Mac but now I think I'm going to wait a while.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I took option B) and got asked to run Disk Utility. So I made another Genius Bar appointment that based on the results of running Disk Utility from the Install CD when I get home will probably be cancelled, because Dan OTM.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Fucking Disk Utility. Oh yes, I never thought of that, I'm sure frequent kernel panicking is happening because A FILE HAS BAD PERMISSIONS. That's Unix for you, right!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

tombot that is some crap.

u hve probably tried this, and it's basically the same as running disk utility, but have you tried starting up in single-user mode and running "/sbin/fsck -fy" ? if that comes up clean then it definitely is not your HD (bad sectors, etc.) .and must be some borked NON-motherboard piece of hardware on the thing but it's like the time i got hives after taking dayquil, i went to the doctor and they're like "well you're allergic to dayquil" and i'm like "yes, but what specifically am i allergic to?" and they're like "we don't know, dayquil has like 14 things in it."

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 7 August 2006 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah components on mobo failing seems more likely to me, even 2 times in a row, with the kind of shit that's happening. It's happening when I'm not even doing anything, leave it alone for 20 minutes and chances are it'll just die. Doesn't sound like HD to me but whatever.

Honestly I'll do that and run DU out of a sense of diligence and optimism that perhaps it really is some kind of trivial issue but I'm so, so sick of fucking with this thing already.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps they will announce the solution to this problem at today's WWDC kickoff.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

computers without components (the emperor's new Mac Pro)

Ed (dali), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm gonna bet Apple $2013 that Leopard does something really really unnecessary by default and I'm going to think it's totally dumb just like spotlight and dashboard

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

spotlight 2.0 apparently, and widgets that can escape from the confines of the dashboard

Ed (dali), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

does anyone really use spotlight? quicksilver is so much cooler.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing is it is difficult to run "Disk Utility" when the computer will not even "start up in any mode at all, whatsoever" 98% of the time? Or maybe that's just my opinion, I'm no "Genius."

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i use it occasionally but only because I haven't bothered to install anything else.

Ed (dali), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Quicksilver is really slow for me, but I'm on a sissy G4. I've limited the number of things it puts in the catalog which helps a lot.

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

so, you'd like to make yourself a ...body without organs

boot from a CD, then fsck a couple of times and see what comes up

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Apple's hardware strategy boggles the mind. Shipping a $2500 desktop with a graphics card that retails for $100? Not having a single expandable desktop under $2100 (if you don't get 802.11G or Bluetooth or a second DVD drive and you get a 160GB hard drive instead of 250).

milo z (mlp), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

disk utility ran just fine. However somehow my 218 MB system update failed the checksum so I have to start over.

Today's WWDC keynote was really insulting. There's not a single thing mentioned that's of any interest to me (or most mac users I know) at all. Gotta love that Steve's big deal was explaining that all these years after Outlook made us hate getting e-mail, you can now replicate that awful experience with Mac OS. If I can't get this iMac's issues worked out it's fucking newegg.com for me.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"most mac users" != Mac developers

For me, core animation is pretty goddamn cool. If you hate Mail, then switch to Thunderbird already and stop crying.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

What I find annoying about recent WWDC keynotes is the relative dearth of non-PR developer information. Today's keynote was basically interchangeable with a Macworld one, focusing on whizzy crap that has no bearing on me as a programmer. Or have the 43 folders/Getting Things Done cult infested so many coders now that iCal/iChat/Mail news qualifies as Important Developer Information.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

as a friend put it, "wow... live updating dilbert."

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Me: "OK Steve, enough about iChat - could you tell me something about XCode 3 and 10.5 Server? I think they're just a little bit more important. k thx bye."

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

almost as bad as earlier this year when the big announcement was a $100 ipod case

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Me: "OK Steve, enough about iChat - could you tell me something about XCode 3 and 10.5 Server? I think they're just a little bit more important. k thx bye."

Yeah, I think that was the argument just being made re: stfu about your really piss-poor Outlook rip off and its ability to turn into a to-do list!

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Live updating Dilbert sounds like 6th level of Hades, btw.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Where was Server virtualisation and 4GB fibre channel and XServe RAID, extra codecs for QuickTime (2K, 4K, 24p as well). Ok maybe this is for NAB next year. About the only thing of interest was handling close captioning in quicktime, there was no indication of how this was going to work, whether you could write to the whole VBI, just line 21 or just read.

The most exiting thing was moving the graphics slot so a double width card didn't block a slot and a novel way of mounting hard drives.

Ed (dali), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

my point up above about why buy a mac if all they wanted to do was run office was simply that MS updates office more frequently for Mac; they have a barely useable email program in there in place of outlook; etc. not that there'a nything wrong with macs (I prefer them myself) but I figured someone who only uses Office and Office-type programs would go with a cheaper machine where the application has more support.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.