What is the darkest/hardest music you like?

Haven't downloaded that file, but from the context of the discussion I'm guessing that it's that. There are Lps of the People's Temple gospel band playing straight up gospel, but this is different, it's just a field recording of the event of the mass suicide itself. I'm guessing that the T.O.P.Y. LP (which claimed to be released by The World Satanic Network System) is just culled from the recording identified on that site as the FBI tape.

"... nothing we could do, we can't, we can't separate ourselves from our own people. (pause, children crying in background) ... For twenty years laying in some old rotten nursing home ... (pause) ... taken us through all these anguished years. They took us and put us in chains and that's nothing. ... (stuttering) ... there's no comparison to that, to this. They've robbed us of our land, and they've taken us and driven us until we tried to find ourselves ... we tried to find a new beginning, but it's too late. You can't separate yourself from your brother and your sister. No way I'm gonna do it. I refuse. I don't know who fired the shot, I don't know who killed the Congressman. But as far as I'm concerned, I killed him. You understand what I'm saying? I killed him. He had no business coming. I told him not to come. ... (long pause) ... die with respect, die with a degree of dignity. Lay down your life with dignity. Don't lay down with tears and agony. It's nothing to death, just like Max said. It's just stepping over into another plane. Don't, don't be this way. Stop this hysterics... This is not the way for people who are socialistic Communists to die ... no way for us to die. We must die with some dignity ..."

I don't really like hard or dark music at all. The darkest music I really like is probably goth-era The Cure (80-82) and some of Depeche Mode's more depressive moments ("Blasphemous Rumours") while the hardest music I really like is probably Dream Theater.

the hardest piece of music i own is nadja - the bungled and the botched. although i like hardness and darkness they aren't things i want to listen to very often, so this one album satisfies me pretty good on the heaviness side. the moment when the main riff hits actually produces a physical reaction in me every time i listen to it, and i often can't make it through the entire record it's so powerful. i'm sure there are plenty of albums that have this kind of effect on you guys, but this is the only thing that has ever done it for me. like any metal review will brag about "PULVERIZING RIFFS" but metal so far has not pulverized me; it's just made me want to rock out. this album has pulverized me.

blech dream theater.

That should be their real name.

most of what i like is dark and/or hard ... i'd have an easier time trying to figure out what lightest/softest music i like is, because there is significantly less of it.

Los Campesinos

You end up collecting perverse shit like.....Little Marcy

Little Marcy as in "Little Marcy sings to $1.98 children"?

Hardness sort of wears out, doesn't it, as it gets familiar? And darkness gets cozy and comforting rather than intoxicating. These sounds to have a bit of the unexpected to work their magic. Which is why darker, harder, faster and so on is a pursuit rather than a destination. Gotta find a new record to rattle you cage. I put away the Swans for long stretches so they can get their shock back. A friend just sent me this Ufomammut track, "Blotch" that doing some serious battery on my while some classics are recharging.

Hardness sort of wears out, doesn't it, as it gets familiar? And darkness gets cozy and comforting rather than intoxicating. These sounds to have a bit of the unexpected to work their magic.

that's assuming you're listening to things for "hardness' or darkness' sake," as opposed to listening to it because it's good music.

Darkest: Black One, the new Lokai record
Hardest: Dopesick

as opposed to listening to it because it's good music.

Sometimes, for sure. That's not to say a lot of it doesn't stick as great music.

I guess the trouble for me is that "hard" can just seem like a macho posture (dull, aesthetically obvious, conservative in its taking up of earspace with chest-thumping display behavior) if you're not moved by it as art- i.e. there's lots of metal that is "hard" but not interesting in its hardness, and so it turns "soft" at the level of ideas.

The same issue can apply to "difficulty" in high modernist 20th century classical composition such as New Complexity composers, or "difficulty" in power electronics- personally the endurance contest aspect of stuff like Sutcliffe Jugend, Whitehouse, The Grey Wolves, Prurient and Intrinsic Action is what makes it "hard", but in a "hard to listen to" way that feels more phenomenologically challenging rather than just "macho", tho obviously most power electronics is also macho in that way too. I guess ultra-high pitched sine wave compositions are "hard" without being "macho"- I'm thinking of really piercing stuff from 0, Ikeda, Chartier, etc.

Sometimes you don't feel up to that kind of hard work, no? Also, bendy very much on OTM about the way that certain kinds of hardness can go soft with familiarity. I now listen to some black metal and noise records and I have heard them so often that they are a kind of ambient music for me rather than some kind of traumatic or troubling encounter.

black metal is the new new age.

Sunn0)))'s career summed up.

everyone needs that gnaw their tongues album on crucial blast. what a record. just everything that dark and unsettling should be. stunning, really!

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you can listen to stuff here:

http://www.myspace.com/gnawtheirtongues

Those guys, I swear. Or that guy, considering it's just one dude mostly. (I like 'em but they're a bit much except in small doses.)

I have that Gnaw Their Tongues record but haven't checked it out yet. What makes me laugh about it though is that it's the second album I've seen with that photo of the woman's mouth being stretched on its cover. The other one was some pornogrind thing.

Hair Police, Demons/Wolf Eyes, Prurient

I also listen to drone/doom metal shit but more on the psychedelic side like Sunn O))) or Aluk Todolo. I don't consider either especially dark.

My Darkspace answer came because I was listening to the album at the time I saw this thread and thought it approximated an extreme of hard darkness/dark hardness; the two terms were intrinsically yoked in my moment of consideration. 'Intensely dark' maybe.

what does you all know of dark and hard?

you know not a thing until your ears haved bathed in aural blackness. of wolfen type.

become lycanthrope, and you shall see into the dark as if it was a new breed of air for you cancerous lung.

fear not the darkness, better yet fear but embrace the darkness. and the hardness. embrace it.

conner Djifrens

I swear that some out there jazz wigs people out more than crazed metal. I used to play some out there Sun Ra and it would totally freak out a roommate I had. Frankie Teardrop by Suicide also would freakout a room mate I had.

I don't get deep into the real barky metal, but I listen to plenty of old punk. I think the most intense and dark stuff that I like is really early Swans and Through Silver in Blood by Neurosis. I like em both, but I have to be in the mood.

Through Silver in Blood by Neurosis

^^^

XP: What's even funnier about Gnaw Their Tongues is that Maurice also plays in the band fronted by his younger sister, which is an indiepop-band in the style of The Breeders!

"... nothing we could do, we can't, we can't separate ourselves from our own people. (pause, children crying in background) ... For twenty years laying in some old rotten nursing home ... (pause) ... taken us through all these anguished years. They took us and put us in chains and that's nothing. ... (stuttering) ... there's no comparison to that, to this. They've robbed us of our land, and they've taken us and driven us until we tried to find ourselves ... we tried to find a new beginning, but it's too late. You can't separate yourself from your brother and your sister. No way I'm gonna do it. I refuse. I don't know who fired the shot, I don't know who killed the Congressman. But as far as I'm concerned, I killed him. You understand what I'm saying? I killed him. He had no business coming. I told him not to come. ... (long pause) ... die with respect, die with a degree of dignity. Lay down your life with dignity. Don't lay down with tears and agony. It's nothing to death, just like Max said. It's just stepping over into another plane. Don't, don't be this way. Stop this hysterics... This is not the way for people who are socialistic Communists to die ... no way for us to die. We must die with some dignity ..."

So is this music? And, as the thread title says, do you like it? I've heard it and find it a bit snide. Without redeeming features even perhaps. A bit lame as well - comparing this to a TG album is a bit like comparing Faces Of Death to The King Of Death. For starters it's not a field recording, is it? But whatever helps you justify owning it, I suppose . . . I'm not having that much of a go either because some of the subject matter dealt with on some of the music I like, leaves a lot to be desired really. It's an arbitrary line to draw but my line's drawn before recordings of people committing suicide.

Current dark listening: Admiral Angry, Gnaw, SunnO))) (Black One), Khanate (Things Viral), TG (Third Annual Report), Burial Hex, Switchblade (ST 2009)

XP: What's even funnier about Gnaw Their Tongues is that Maurice also plays in the band fronted by his younger sister, which is an indiepop-band in the style of The Breeders!

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lawl I love the shit out of this guy and didn't know that, nice - he used to make jungle/breakcore type stuff as well

there is an early skepticism ep called 'ethere' that is pretty dark in the depressing sense. i don't actually find it depressing at all, but it probably meets the definition for a lot of people.

The thrashier, more melodic end of Death Metal - Carcass, Death, Entombed etc

slipknot

Though I do own Scum by Napalm Death. That's pretty fucking unpleasant sounding.

this is the cuetest thread i ever did start

slipknot

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lol @ u

Napalm Death is totally mainstream now. I go to houses where people have a lot of money and they have expensive tattoos and Napalm Death on their shelf like a fashion accessory! Totally goes with wine now.

That's why I started buying records by retarded children and the like, we need to find new levels of discomfort!

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lol @ u

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all markers teenage faves are coming out now

Avril's great

current 93 stuff always seems like crazy dark like i can't even listen to it but i like it in theory

I like Current 93 they don't really have talent just great ideas, major turnoff for people who think they know what talent is.

i dont listen to hard or dark music

There is plenty of dark / hard funk and r + b. "Dark" isn't just for whitey.

I used to play any of these records whenever I had parties at my house and it was getting too late.

Aksak Maboul - Un peu de l'âme des bandits
Residents - Duck Stab
Roger Payne - Songs of the Humpback Whale
Lamborghini Crystal - Dial: 747 Creepozoid
Luasa Raelon - Automatic Satan
Luasa Raelon - Season of the Witch

Nurse With Wound / Whitehouse - The 150 Murderous Passions

Yah I guess Wolf Eyes or Pan Sonic or something like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vId0KOlY6V8