Selling Out: Classic or Dud?

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In another case, "Extraordinary Machine" wouldn't exist if Fiona Apple hasn't begun by making two so-so "compromise" records.

Wait, what? Whats the news here...?

― Vichitravirya XI, Thursday, 26 May 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

allmypulp, my complaint with your argument is where you say "The artist has given up what he orginally created it for, and has changed the purpose to one of profit." .. And maybe you didn't mean it as it reads, but it sounds as though you're claiming that the artist has taken something that was emotional and callously made it about making a buck.

My two problems with that are:
1. It may never have been emotional to the artist - it was only emotional to you.
2. It may have been emotional to the artist at one time, but the artist couldn't give a rat's ass about it now because it's 20 years old and the artist hasn't thought about it in 19. Unlike fans, good artists (unless they are narcissists) don't listen to their record every day after school.

Bonus summation: The artist may not be thinking commerce as much as thinking, "Well, I've got this old thing in the closet. What else can I do with it before I toss it."

― diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 26 May 2005 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard that "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" was originally writen as "(I Can't Get Any) Tea and Crumpets," but they changed it to be more saleable in the US.

True. Obviously, George W. Bush wasn't the president of the USA by then, or they'd rather have changed it to "(I Can't Get No) Salvation", to make sure that it was not verboten by the Government.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Metallica sold out in 45 mins :/
Yeah I know.
Oh wait
You mean, like, a concert?
yes

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 26 May 2005 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

That was meant to have irc user names at the start of each line but teh technology stripped the tags

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 26 May 2005 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Concerning 1.
If the artist disregards the emotional connection that the creation made on the audience (the one that has allowed himself to achieve the level of success, since that is what he's after, he's reached. And more than that, I understand it is the artists creation, and legally has ownership of it, but his feigned ignorance of the people it's affected is detestable. If he wishes to make money, go write 'em a jingle ) to gain an audience with others; that's a dud in my eyes.

2. Then he doesn't have any respect for what he's created, or atleast the state he was in when he wrote it.

But what if it doesn't really have to do with any emotions at all. The artist is just talented enough to easily write great songs with minimal effort. Then that'd be selling your talent. Which isn't as bad, considering that's what we all do everyday, but I would argue that doesn't mean it's right either.

― allmypulp (Allmypulp), Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

2. Then he doesn't have any respect for what he's created, or atleast the state he was in when he wrote it.

What I'm thinking is more like he has no memory of the state he was in. Songs may be emotion, creation, expression, recorded and then forgotten. ...like things you said that were profound at the time, but you no longer remember why.

― diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

About a year ago, I wrote three songs that I am now thoroughly sick of. They seemed clever enough at the time, but hearing them performed by a middlingly-skilled band with mediocre vocalists, practicing them over and over again, and pumping them out to indifferent audiences has ruined them for me.

They are for sale to anyone who wants them. Let the bidding begin at $100,000 each.

― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Courtney Love OTM

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

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