rolling stone's 500 greatest albums of all time

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No this thred is ded.

Patrick Kinghorn, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

I'd write a rebuttal to Gier's assesment, but
a better rebuttal was already written HERE

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 03:46 (twenty years ago) link

but gems like..."Desolation Row" clearly help a lot.

Haha.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I was going to point that out as well. Also, I don't think I've ever witnessed Geir be so wrong as he is about Muddy Waters in his comments above.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

(Actually, he might have said worse things further down, but that's where I gave up reading his comments.)

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 04:07 (twenty years ago) link

95. Green River, Creedence Clearwater Revival

The world just didn't need straight 50s influenced rock in the late 60s. Sorry. A step in the wrong direction musically. Some great songs, but too primitive and not even close to the sophistication and artiness of the musically better hippie bands, not to mention all those wonderful "twee" English concept albums from 67-68.

you know, some of those CCR songs have real nice melodies -- ever hear "have you ever seen the rain"? not to mention that CCR at their peak could more than hold their own with those so-called "musically better hippie bands."

geir almost makes me wanna defend roots-rock SHOCKA!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

elvis didn't write his own songs?

keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link

In all seriousness is Geir 72 yrs old?

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 08:37 (twenty years ago) link

no relation BTW

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 08:37 (twenty years ago) link

I knew that was a Geir post from the first sentence or two.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 10:17 (twenty years ago) link

"Trout Mask Replica" is not overrated. It is what it is.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 10:53 (twenty years ago) link

You're saying the Sex Pistols couldn't play? What the fuck are you talking about???

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 11:20 (twenty years ago) link

just smile and nod and slowly back away.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

Even though you know what he's going to say it still feels like a personal insult, doesn't it?

Pete S, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

Geir's post should replace "[MARK S CAN YOU FILL THIS ONE IN!]" in the ILM FAQ

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

Who was on the "committee" for this bullshit?? Music fans or fuckin robots?? I mean, I don't even know many METALLICA fans that would put the Black Album in a Top 500 albums of all-time list. Fuckin robots. Also, Illmatic is at least 353 spots below where it should be.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

Metallica's Black Album is loved by a lot of non-typical-Metallica fans.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

it takes about 100 albums before a non rock one is included, maybe 250 before a dance one is.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

So, "500 most-loved albums of all-time" would perhaps be a better?? I would feel much better.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:34 (twenty years ago) link

500 albums you never want to see in a list again or discuss.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

it takes about 100 albums before a non rock one is included, maybe 250 before a dance one is.

Marvin Gaye=rock?
Muddy Waters=rock?

Anyway, this is deserved, as those non-rock genres aren't as important anyway

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

eat my fuc

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

it makes sense for a vh1 cracker ass publication to include only rock in the top 100, especially if they're going to be idiots about jazz. no fem singers but hotel california. insanity.
anyway, rap wasn't invented til the 80's so the best probably ain't her yet, etc etc/dance is not that good.

asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

thred...ded

asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

69. Superfly, Curtis Mayfield

I think this may be considered a proper album, considering it featured mostly (all?) new material. Not too bad, but not a classic either.


WRONG

David Allen, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

"Eddie You Should Know Better" > anything on Pet Sounds

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

"Little Child Running Wild" > anything the Beatles ever recorded

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

Nate OTM
I think Geir is just trying to make us laugh at this point, and it's working.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

Thing is with this kind of list - done and presented due to the publication's apparent 'historical' 'importance' - they always seem to end up sounding like they're justifying their own existence.

Never read Rolling Stone but it seems as if the list attempts to justify some of the lamer artists/genres it seems to have championed through the years. For example, it always seems to be said that Billy Joel, average 70's country-blues-rock and a dilettantish enjoyment of, ahem, 'black music' etc is what Jann Wenner is all about.

That the list was compiled from other people's lists make this even sadder.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

i'm glad weezer made it to the list, and in a good position!
now i miss bush, jellyfish, shed seven and reef. all of them were far better than the beatles (most overrated band of all time).

joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

am i the only one that actually likes Geir (even if i vehemently disagree with his tastes)? i get a sense that his strictures are more purely based in aesthetics than, say, those of Rolling Stones, which are justified by notions of "historical importance" and "real music" and "authenticity". I prefer Geir's fetishization of prominent melody and structure to fetishization of own importance with a few tokenistic digressions (having so little rap on the list only undermines credibility).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:29 (twenty years ago) link

I prefer Geir's fetishization of prominent melody...
I don't think it's really a Melodi-philia, more of a Rhythmo-phobia. He *is* notorious for saying "It's too Rhythmic!"

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, he hates James Brown's music fercrissakes! How can anyone not immediately start bopping around the room to James Brown music?

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

what's this about Sgt. Pepper "finally regaining list position" over Revolver?! RS has NEVER published an all-time list without Pepper topping it!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

haha Geir "bopping" around to anything!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

he likes prince though, and he makes a positive comment about the first Kelis album somewhere too.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

what's this about Sgt. Pepper "finally regaining list position" over Revolver?! RS has NEVER published an all-time list without Pepper topping it!
I think he confused it with the Larkin All-Time Top 1000 from a few years back.

Doesn't matter. Both records are hopelessly overrated and *neither* deserves the top spot.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

Another great work by him, even though it wears a bit thin towards the end. Before that, we have heard such gems as "If I Was Your Girlfriend" tho.

thus rendering my Sign 'O' the Times book superfluous. damn you, Geir Hongro!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

"A Kind Of Blue"=rock?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

None of these are rock albums

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles (pop)
2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys (pop)
3. Revolver, The Beatles (pop)
5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles (pop)
6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye (soul)
10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles (pop - although some of the tracks are rock on this particular album)
12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis (jazz)
14. Abbey Road, The Beatles (pop)
20. Thriller, Michael Jackson (pop/disco/soul)
23. Innervisions, Stevie Wonder (soul/pop)
24. Live at the Apollo (1963), James Brown (soul/funk)
25. Rumours, Fleetwood Mac (pop)
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1, Robert Johnson (blues)
30. Blue, Joni Mitchell (pop/folk)
36. Tapestry, Carole King (pop/folk)
37. Hotel California, The Eagles (pop)
38. The Anthology, 1947 - 1972, Muddy Waters (blues)
39. Please Please Me, The Beatles (pop)
46. Legend, Bob Marley and the Wailers (reggae)
47. A Love Supreme, John Coltrane (jazz)
48. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Public Enemy (hip-hop)
51. Bridge Over Troubled Waters, Simon and Garfunkel (pop/folk)
52. Greatest Hits, Al Green (soul)
53. The Birth of Soul: The Complete Atlantic Rhythm and Blues Recordings, 1952 - 1959, Ray Charles (soul)
56. Songs in the Key of Life, Stevie Wonder (soul/pop)
58. Trout Mask Replica, Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band (contemporary avant garde)
59. Meet the Beatles, The Beatles (pop)
60. Greatest Hits, Sly and the Family Stone (funk)
67. The Stranger, Billy Joel (pop)
68. Off the Wall, Michael Jackson (pop/disco/soul)
69. Superfly, Curtis Mayfield (funk)
72. Purple Rain, Prince (a little bit of rock, but just as much pop, funk and soul)
74. Otis Blue, Otis Redding (soul)
79. Star Time, James Brown (funk)
80. Odessey and Oracle, The Zombies (pop)
81. Graceland, Paul Simon (pop/world)
83. I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You, Aretha Franklin (soul)
84. Lady Soul, Aretha Franklin (soul)
86. Let It Be, The Beatles (pop)
88. At Folsom Prison, Johnny Cash (country)
89. Dusty in Memphis, Dusty Springfield (pop/soul)
90. Talking Book, Stevie Wonder (soul/pop)
91. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Elton John (pop)
93. Sign 'o' the Times, Prince (see "Purple Rain)
94. Bitches Brew, Miles Davis (jazz/fusion)
97. The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan (folk)
99. There's a Riot Goin' On, Sly and the Family Stone (funk)
100. In the Wee Small Hours, Frank Sinatra (pop/jazz)

So what's your point about the Top 100 being almost all rock?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

89. Dusty in Memphis, Dusty Springfield (pop/soul)
90. Talking Book, Stevie Wonder (soul/pop)

how do you decide whether it's pop/soul or soul/pop? is it a gender thing, a race thing, a nationality thing, or some combination thereof?

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

"Dusty In Memphis" is a pop singer doing a soul album. "Talking Book" is a soul singer whose output is always very influenced by pop.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, he hates James Brown's music fercrissakes! How can anyone not immediately start bopping around the room to James Brown music?
true, and that is where the vehement disagreement comes from. What I was trying to get at is that, really, rolling stone doesnt like hiphop or techno either, but instead of setting a standard that justifies the (rockist) list, they have instead thrown a couple hiphop albums on as meaningless tokens. if they really liked it, they would have dug deeper, included more. same with jazz. instead of offering a good reason for not including more, instead they throw a couple of albums on, making it seem as if jazz were simply worse/less important/artistically interesting music than even mediocre 60s rock releases. they always pick with rock blinders anyways, so even their listing of blues records is suspect, because everything is seen from the perspective of its importance to rock. kind of blue and love supreme werent picked because they were the best records by davis and coltrane, or because they sold the most, but because they are the jazz records that rock people are familiar with. its arbitrary.

lastly, everyone is correct in pointing out the comp issues, especially since, again, the allowance of comps is arbitrary. if we really are talking about the relative merits of albums, then lets use albums, and if we are going to include comps, why not include some from genres that would certainly benefit (techno and hip hop ARE weak from an album perspective, but there are certainly shitloads of comps that amaze for their durations).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

Why don't you guys just realised that hip-hop will never be even remotely as important as rock. Hip-hop is just as passing fad - completely forgotten in 20 years - while rock will live forever.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

Geir, tu es un provocateur.

Patrick Kinghorn, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

It is completely natural that in a Top 100, about half of the albums will be rock ones, while hip-hop will not make up more than 1-2 at most. The difference in impact is that huge.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 23:00 (twenty years ago) link

Why don't you guys just realised that hip-hop will never be even remotely as important as rock. Hip-hop is just as passing fad - completely forgotten in 20 years - while rock will live forever.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), November 25th, 1983. (later) (link)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Shouldn't that read 'white rock will live forever'?

Pete S, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

Why don't you guys just realised that hip-hop will never be even remotely as important as rock. Hip-hop is just as passing fad - completely forgotten in 20 years - while rock will live forever.

even if this were true, hiphop is a continuation of certain attidues towards musicmaking by black americans that have been around longer than rock. those attitudes, on an abstract level, show no signs of degeneration compared to rock.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

Oh I get it, Geir's a kidder, heh.

I'd sooner burn off the face of the earth any Beatles music than never be able to hear hip hop again.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 23:43 (twenty years ago) link


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