Is Elvis Presleys in the ghetto the whitest song ever ?

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Right, Custos, clearly the only form of racism, bigotry, or prejudice in this country is full-on Klan membership.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, that was snippy, but I'll say the same thing I said on the Strom Thurmond said: it's silly and dangerous to pretend that "racism" is limited to an active loathing of a given people. Loads of people can carry loads of racial preconceptions and love everyone else just fine: after all, some of their best friends are black! American racism in 2003 for the most part has less to do with virulent animosity and more to do with largely indifferent preconceptions and ideas about people's proper places.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

nabisco, trife (as far I can tell) thinks we are all racist bigot Klansmen, and our insistence that we are not just fuels his belief that we are.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

Whats even worse than that is this:
shut the fuck up you unfunny racist custos motherfuckers
What are we to make of that?
How he puts an insult like "racist" right next to a compliment like "custos"; boggles my mind where he's going with that one.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

oh well lets all play along, it'll be fun...

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

Lets not and pretend we did.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

Custos, I can't tell if you're having reading-comprehension difficulties with what Trife says or what I said. There are massive differences between mainstream racism or bigotry and the ideologies of the Klan -- as if that should even have to be explained -- and Trife, so far as I know, has never accused anyone here of the latter. He's accused people of holding racial double-standards, for the most part.

For comparison see "sexism" as opposed to "misogyny." (Trife makes accusations of racism, not "misafropy!") (Someone call Ludacris!)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

Custos, I can't tell if you're having reading-comprehension difficulties with what Trife says or what I said.
I understand what you are saying...you and I can see the subtle gradations (between "racism" and "bigotry"). WE can see that. I suspect that trife cannot.
He's the first to jump to completely the wrong conclusion about what someone means when they say something that could have more than one meaning.
I still don't grasp where trife is coming from, though.
The level of malice he exudes is both frightening and baffling.

that said:
Misafropy! Hahahahahaha! Excellent word. I'm adding it to the memory banks now.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

never mind. this isn't helping anybody. lets get back to talking about elvis.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck D to thread.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

and Professor Griff to post a rebuttal.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

custos you're out of my vaudeville revue. the hook for you.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

(*yoink!*)
as Charles Nelson Riley bangs on the Gong and Chuck Barris just shakes his head is dumbstruck amazement...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

what is "white herb culture"?

And "In the Ghetto" could totally be an Isaac Hayes song, the cheesy strings, the overwrought emoting, the sad drum shuffle - Black Moses did all that.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.templelooters.com/tv/wkrp/s3/wkrp49-003.jpg

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

white herb culture

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

lord custos:
http://www.foodsubs.com/Photos/dill5.jpg

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:33 (twenty years ago) link

"Dillweed is a small flavorful herb best known for flavoring pickles. It is native to Asia, but is now used worldwide. Both the leaves and seeds are used to flavor foods."

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:38 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, Beavis. We are all in awe of your herbalist acumen. Now go smoke some and chill out.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 10:58 (twenty years ago) link

'Seasons In the Sun' - Terry Jacks.

The Elvis tune sounds more like an over-produced Motown number to me.

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

No votes for "Afternoon Delight"?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

The Weezer catalog.

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

god, you Americans are soooo hung up on what's "black" and what's "white". It kills me that you are stuck on deciding whether or not it can be an adjective to denote quality or shite. Quality is good, shite is shite. QED.

― darren (darren), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

yep, you get every single one of us pegged.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

Darren is way white.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

Carpenters, come on.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

Belle and Sebastian own this thread.

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 3 July 2003 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...

Seriously though, define "herb." Does it mean pseudo-enlightened white people? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

― Scott, Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.45-rpm.org.uk/herba.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

ALL THESE SONGS MAKES ME WANNA GO OUT THERE AND BE SOMEBODY!
http://www.bikkit.com/bikkit/images/jerkscene.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

that should be "MAKE".
http://www.carolynsclinic.f2s.com/images/Steve_Martin_250.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

There is no such thing as white music anyway, apart from the title of XTC's debut album, that is....

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 7 September 2003 07:57 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, you're not really Geir.

The *real* Geir would have put a ":-)" at the end of that post.

― Lewis J. Bateman (Lewis Bateman), Monday, 8 September 2003 06:07 (twenty years ago) link

I thought the first half of the statement a bit too important to put a :-) after the second half.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

Article Response: I'll tell you what 'chutzpah' is. It's raising a foolish point about a song on an internet message board, having it beat down in a dozen different ways, and going on to write about the same song for an onliine publication.

In 1969 Elvis wasn't fat, btw.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

SAAAAAAAAVE THE GOOOORILLAAAAAAAAAAAS!!!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

ten months pass...

so fuck all the bullstink on the rest of this thread and get to this:

In the Ghetto: classic or dud?

― Bumfluff, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh dud.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i still don't understand what anthony easton meant by this thread and resent him for it.

classic.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

ihttp://www.play.com/covers/173022m.jpg

Disc 2, Track 6. Are you going to call Sammy "white" now?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Well it's the worst track on the Memphis album by a long way; so yeah dud. If "Suspicious Minds" was on there in its place it would be almost perfect. (or better yet "If I can Dream")

― de, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post
(So much for hyperlinking an image to a URL)

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Jessica Hopper thinks the new Magnetic Fields is a contender.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely Nick Cave's version of "In the Ghetto" is whiter? Or paler?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I hear there's a bluegrass cover of Beach Boys "Surfin Safari" out there, somewhere.

― Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Merritt's career trajectory is sort of like Truman Capote's: starts of young and weird and amazing and full of feeling, progressed into weird upscale non-reactive creature seemingly involved in invisible patronage system / making-people-giggle game. Except so far as I recall, Capote's actual creative production didn't take any downward turns quite so dramatic as this recent Merritt one.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"i" is not THAT bad, guys...

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you mean by "invisible patronage program," nabisco?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

don't think it's one of Evlis' best, but not a dud. fairly standard late-'60s liberal consciousness move and all. not as good as the spinners' "ghetto child" by a longshot. yeah, ell was "white." the whitest song ever? kind of a dumb question.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

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