who was america's best president?

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you compare lincoln's actions to woodrow wilson's absolutely indefensible attacks on dissent during world war I (a war that took place hundreds of thousands of miles safely away from america, a war that america had virtually NO chance of losing, and a war in which america had virtually no stake to begin with; the overwhelming reason we were even involved was that wilson was a self-righteous "idealist" who believed he'd been appointed by god to save the world from all wars ever - sound familiar?), abe looks like a saint

OTM. What did it say about Wilson that HARDING pardoned Eugene Debs, rotting in jail for being a Red and opposing Wilson for the presidency?

the more i learn about the cold war the more obvious it seems that it was pretty much all our doing. the soviet union had no intention of "spreading communism" to the rest of the world; that was a trotsky notion that stalin had tossed right out the window years before. there's no denying that stalin was a genuinely evil man and that the guys over here were just opportunistic and unprincipled, but that doesn't make the loyalty oaths and the national security act any less a betrayal of america's republican ideals

OTM yet again. This is what I wanted to say but lacked the space, except I would change "pretty much all our doing" to "we allowed Stalin to force our hand."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 11 February 2007 04:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm a fan of Dwight D. Eisenhower but I really don't know much about what he did during his presidency, he just looked like a smiley kind of chap:

http://ardennes44.free.fr/EisenhowerDwight01.JPG

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish I could say Martin Van Buren was the best president, because he had some bitchin' facial hair. Turns out he was just Andrew Jackson's bitch.

<img src="http://www.americaslibrary.gov/assets/aa/buren/aa_buren_subj_m.jpg">

― molly mummenschanz, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, shit. old habits die hard.

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/assets/aa/buren/aa_buren_subj_m.jpg

― molly mummenschanz, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Eisenhower played lots of golf and coined the term "military-industrial complex" on the pro

con -- vice president Richard M Nixon (tho Eisenhower kept him at arm's length much like the Reagan/GW Bush relationship)

I Like Ike mostly cause he was president when I was born. Not bad, but far from the best.

― m coleman, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

another big con for eisenhower -- his lack of enthusiasm for civil rights for blacks. he DID enforce brown v. topeka, true, but probably wouldn't have if it left to his own devices. anyway, serious civil rights legislation would have to wait till JFK and (especially) LBJ.

― Eisbaer, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.rosecity.net/al_gore/bush_new_president.jpg

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Andrew_johnson2.jpg

― nakhchivan, Friday, 11 February 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link

shiroibasketshoes +- guus hiddink

― nakhchivan, Friday, 11 February 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link

everyone here more or less very much in character

― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 February 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Fantastic discussion here, one of my favorite recent ILE threads:

U.S. Presidents - Cold War and New Millennium Edition

― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 February 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

https://radical.town/system/media_attachments/files/002/770/020/original/a24b6b375d03a941.jpg

― mark s, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link

Eisenhower remains the only president or world leader, so far as I'm aware, that has a jacket style for a namesake.

Surprised designers havent bagged on a Napoleon pocket yet for hoodies. It's a comfortable place to rest your hand, if you've a jacket that allots it.

― 57mg/20floz, Thursday, 27 June 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link

Dickies Eisenhower jackets rule

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 27 June 2019 12:46 (four years ago) link

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