TS: Oliver Cromwell vs Abraham Lincoln

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His army didn't, but he did

― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Whatever else may be said of the demonising of Cromwell (and I do not doubt that this has been overplayed), the fact is that Protestants not only hated and (perhaps understandably) feared Catholics but that the English looked upon the Irish as little more than savages. Since the threat of an Irish Royalist Army under Stafford had been one of the sparks that set off the Civil War, Cromwell was trying to brutally eradicate the threat of armed Irish intervention in English affairs and the savagery of his army may be overstated but it is pretty undeniable.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Well - the savagery of Cromwell's Ireland boils down to two incidents, the storming of Drogheda and Wexford and the massacares that followed. The Drogheda massacare (mainly of English Royalists) was entirely within the rules of war as then understood by everyone. The events in Wexford are more muddled and I cannot comment on them.

So the savagery of Cromwell's army in Ireland is deniable. I have read recent scholarship about how his army was less savage towards Irish people than the army of the Irish catholic Confederates (more inclined to buy things from locals, less inclined to rape and pillage).

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, but what has Sinead O'Connor have to say about him?

― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/12/all-ladies-like-whiskers.html

― dick roach (schlump), Sunday, 5 December 2010 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Reminder that the Los Angeles federal courthouse has a statue of Abraham Lincoln where he's a shirtless young stud suggestively tugging at his waistband like a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model: pic.twitter.com/32bjqEERYi
— Zack Stentz (@MuseZack) February 20, 2019

― omar little, Thursday, 21 February 2019 05:42 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Really nice rev by Keith Thomas on an odd book on Cromwell, which has many descriptions of the English land (and sky) scape.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2022/06/23/the-making-of-oliver-cromwell-hutton-thomas/

― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 19 June 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link

Highly ironic to revive this on Juneteenth in order to give a shout out to Cromwell.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link

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