A Thread about the film JFK

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I picture Stone having a good laugh at the scenes where Garrison himself plays Earl Warren... then slapping everyone else and being all "ain't that a corker?"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Pillar of the community by day, gay bars at night.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

ILX in a nutshell.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i like how Clay Shaw isn't two-sided and sinister because of the bit where he conspired to kill Kennedy, but rather because he's got a taste for Bacon.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

O'KEEFE
Bring on all the motherfuckers! Bring their
college degrees in here! I got nuthin' to hide.
They can't buy me. You can't buy me. I don't
even need the parole. This is about the truth
coming out. You're a goddamn liberal, Mr.
Garrison, you don't know shit, cause you never
been fucked in the ass. Fascism is here now,
Facism is ...

JIM
No one's trying to buy you, Willie. It's
important to know why you're telling us this.

O'KEEFE
(pauses)
You wanna know why? 'Cause that mother fucker
Kennedy stole that fuckin' election, that's why!
Nixon was gonna be one of the great Presidents
'til Kennedy wrecked this fuckin' country. Got
niggers all over the fuckin' place asking for
their rights, where do you think we got all this
fuckin' crime now, 'cause Kennedy promised 'em
too damned much. Revolution comin'. Fascism's
coming back. I tell ya this - the day that
Communist sumbitch died was a great day for this
country. I jes' hate to think they're blaming
it on some silly fuckin' Oswald who didn't know
shit anyway. People should know why that
sumbitch was killed. 'Cause he was a Communist.
Put me on the stand, go ahead, I'll tell the
same goddamn story, I'm proud of it, don't
matter fuck all to me, things don't change.

As he talks, Jim shares a sickened look with Bill. Whatever truth he
may be telling is necessarily compromised by an attitude that could be
destroyed in court.


I wonder if the shooting script for Year Of The Dragon is available.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

oh man, evidently the movie was originally going to end with X intoning "...and that's the day Vietnam started." I love how if you put all of Stone's movies together they create a larger picture.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

So connect Alexander with Any Given Sunday, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

haha it should have ended with Jim Garrison bumping into a fresh-faced, excited, friendly Tom Berenger.

JIM: Where you off to, son?

BARNES: Vietnam, suh! To fight for a grand cawse.

JIM (eyes moistening, voice choking): You--you be careful there, you hear me?

BARNES (giggles): Don't worry 'bout me, you jus' worry about Charlie!

Jim nods sadly, turns, and walks into history.

X steps into frame and turns to the camera.

X: And that was the day Vietnam started.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Were there chariots in Alexander? Any Given Sunday had (Roman) chariots.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link

A wheelchair's kinda like a chariot, right?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 24 October 2005 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Yuh know yuhr not a bad lookin' may-uhn, Mistuh Garrisuhn."

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

So connect Alexander with Any Given Sunday, then.

"Women! Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em."

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
About as subtle as a cockroach crawlin' across a white rug.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Kennedy's as dead as that crab meat, the government's alive and breathing.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"You a mouse fightin' a gorilla!"

(we need gear)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

He'd have about as much use for Russian as a cat has for pajamas!

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesE/thewink.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I lost my shit when I reread gear's "9-11: The Movie" scenario as writen by Oliver Stone.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

BANISTER
A bullshit President! I don't see any weeping
for all the thousands of Cubans that bastard
condemned to death and torture at the Bay of
Pigs. Where are all the tears for the Russians
and Hungarians and Chinese living like slaves in
prison camps run by Kennedy's communist buddies
- All these damned peace treaties! I'm telling
ya Jack, that's what happens when you let the
niggers vote. They get together with the Jews
and the Catholics and elect an Irish bleeding
heart.

MARTIN
Chief, maybe you had a little too much to drink.

BANISTER
Bullshit!
(yells across the room)
Bartender, another round ...
(finishes drink)
Here's to the New Frontier. Camelot in
smithereens. I'll drink to that.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm going to have to watch this again

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

FERRIE
Oh man, why don't you stop. This is too fuckin'
big for you! Who did Kennedy? It's a mystery
wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma. Even the
shooters don't fuckin' know! Don't you get it
yet? I can't be talking like this. They're
gonna kill me. I'm gonna die!
(he sits down, cracking, sobbing)
I don't know what happened. All I wanted in the
world was to be a Catholic priest - live in a
monastery, study ancient Latin manuscripts,
pray, serve God. But I had this one terrible,
fatal weakness. They defrocked me. And then I
started to lose everything.

He bows his head, holding it in his hands, and his wig starts to come
off in his hands.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

To commemmorate the 43rd anniversary of his death, George Michael and Luke Goss shipped John Lennon's piano (the one he used for Imagine) to the grassy knoll today. That is all.

stet (stet), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Why don't we drop this thread? It's one thing to engage in badinage with these youngsters, but this sort of thing can be so easily misunderstood.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link

more champagne!

gear (gear), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:57 (seventeen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Why did Tommy Lee Jones get the nomination and not Sutherland?

Also, maybe I'm blind, but what is up with the shape of the red and blue in the one sheet?

http://perso.orange.fr/pinpin.online/media/jfk.jpg

Eric H., Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

X (V.O.) (CONT'D)
Now this is significant, because it is standard
operating procedure, especially in a known
hostile city like Dallas, to supplement the
Secret Service. Even if we had not allowed the
bubbletop to be removed from the limousine,
we'd've put at least 100 to 200 agents on the
sidewalks, without question! There'd already
been several attempts on de Gaulle's life in
France. Only a month before in Dallas UN
Ambassador Adlai Stevenson had been spit on and
hit.

Eric H., Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Sutherland's the real Good Shepard.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link

He kisses her gently - They start to make love, numbed, needing each
other, needing their] love in an increasingly terrifying world.

This thread makes me laugh harder than any in ILX history.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Biggest historical inaccuracy in the film: watching the NBC special report discrediting his investigation, Garrison ruefully jokes "I guess my reputation is alright with the people watching 'Laugh-In.'"

Eric H., Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:54 (sixteen years ago) link

"Sonabitch, there he goes again, he's got his hands on the chicken switch."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:56 (sixteen years ago) link

"Vee got to cohn-troll the een-telligence from Say-gon."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, poor Sissy Spacek.

Eric H., Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link

"You're ruining Shaw's reputation because he's a homosexual. Did you ever stop to consider for once what he was feeling?"

Eric H., Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I want her on my side.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link

"This is Louisiana, chief! How the hell do you know who your Daddy is? Because your Momma told you so."

Eric H., Thursday, 23 August 2007 03:12 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

JIM
Who are you, Mr. Miller?
(no answer - just the sound of the
overhead fan)
You see that helmet over there?
(the Nazi helmet with a bullet hole
on his desk)
I picked that up at the Dachau concentration
camp when we liberated it in 1945. It was the
most horrifying sight I've ever seen, Mr.
Miller. Pyramids of decaying, stinking bones
and skin one on top of the other. I don't enjoy
looking at that swastika every day, Mr. Miller,
but I keep it there to remind me of what can
happen when a country turns from free democratic
principles to Fascism, when a few madmen turn
human beings into digits and millions sit in
silence and do nothing about it.

Miller waits. Bill waits. Jim comes forward with his reply.

JIM (CONT'D)
Mr. Miller, you and I have met under a great
misunderstanding. I haven't the remotest
interest in becoming a Federal Judge. And
nothing is going to keep me from going ahead
with my investigation of John Kennedy's murder.

Miller's entire demeanor tightens into a corkscrew of anger and danger

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 10 September 2007 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link

That's one hell of a corkscrew.

Alex in SF, Monday, 10 September 2007 02:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I wonder if it's the same corkscrew Joe Pesci used on Tommy Lee Jones in the orgy sequende.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 10 September 2007 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

That might of just been a corkscrew of anger. It's been a while so I don't remember for sure.

Alex in SF, Monday, 10 September 2007 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i was 5 feet away from tommy lee jones today ina hotel lobby. i saw him greet javier bardem.

s1ocki, Monday, 10 September 2007 23:46 (sixteen years ago) link

After Three Burials Of Meliquades Estrada I have more love for Tommy Lee Jones than ever.

da croupier, Monday, 10 September 2007 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought, "Yup, he barely survived after directing the script penned by the shithead who made 21 Grams and Babel."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link

is that winky-at-lbj photo real?

pisces, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

scott mcclellans crazy dad wrote a book about that wink!

and what, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 11:47 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

NUMA: Pillar of the community by day, gay bars at night.

Liz Garrison is the most shaken, as she pours a fresh pot of coffee.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 27 March 2008 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

"more champagne!"

latebloomer, Thursday, 27 March 2008 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link

is that winky-at-lbj photo real?

-- pisces, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 00:04 (6 months ago

no really IS it??

pisces, Thursday, 27 March 2008 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

FLASHBACK TO Ruby's jail cell in 1964. Ruby talks to men with their backs to us. Lawyers and police clutter the cell, making Ruby hyper-nervous. The chief official's white hair and avuncular voice are all we see and hear of him; his back is to us.

RUBY
Then do you understand that I cannot
tell the truth here? In Dallas.
That there are people here who do
not want me to tell the truth...
who do not want me to have a retrial?

OFFICIAL
Mr. Ruby, I really can't see why you
can't tell us now.

Ruby catches the stern face of Sheriff Bill Decker from the corner of his eye, the Assistant D.A. next to him.

RUBY
When are you going back to Washington,
sir?

OFFICIAL
(looks at watch)
I am going back very shortly after
we finish this hearing - I am going
to have some lunch.

RUBY
Can I make a statement? If you
request me to go back to Washington
with you right now, that is if you
want to hear further testimony from
me, can you do that? Can you take
me with you?

OFFICIAL
No, that could not be done, Mr. Ruby.
There are a good many things involved
in that.

RUBY
What are they?

OFFICIAL
Well, the public attention it would
attract. And we have no place for
you there to be safe, we're not law
enforcement officials, and many things
are at stake in this affair, Mr.
Ruby.

RUBY
But if I am eliminated there won't
be any way of knowing. Consequently
a whole new form of government is
going to take over this country, and
I know I won't live to see you another
time. My life is in danger here.
Do I sound screwy?

OFFICIAL
Well I don't know what can be done,
Mr. Ruby, because I don't know what
you anticipate we will encounter.

RUBY
Then you don't stand a chance, Mr.
Chief Justice, you have a lost cause.
All I want is a lie detector test,
and you refuse to give it to me.
Because as it stands now - and the
truth serum - how do you pronounce
it - Pentothal - whatever it is.
They will not give it to me, because
I want to tell the truth... And then
I want to leave this world.

The camera pauses on Ruby's face. The men rise and leave in the shadows.

CUT TO:

PARKLAND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL - (1967)

Jack Ruby is wheeled out of the infirmary on a gurnee, dead of cancer.

omar little, Thursday, 27 March 2008 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

JIM (V.O.)
Perhaps a few more details about the evening
will refresh your memory. Mr. O'Keefe told us
dinner was served by a uniformed waiter - a
colored man. He particularly remembers that you
sat at one end and he at the other - which he
found rather unusual because the table was so
long. Does that bring back memories of Willie
O'Keefe?

SHAW
(in present)
Not at all. But on the other hand, I do have a
lovely Chippendale dining table and I often have
a friend over sitting at one end while I sit at
the other. That is precisely the point of a
long dining table. The splendor of the meal
adds to the enjoyment of it.

JIM
I would imagine a uniformed waiter helps.

SHAW
It adds a taste of elegance for which I must
confess a weakness for now and then. I call him
Smedley. His real name is Frankie Jenkins - but
I could hardly imagine anything more uncouth
during dinner than my turning toward the kitchen
and hollering "Frankie!" ... Where is this
leading to, Mr. Garrison?

gr8080, Thursday, 27 March 2008 05:21 (sixteen years ago) link

great scene

and what, Thursday, 27 March 2008 05:23 (sixteen years ago) link


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