Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

I think the only way to top the first two films, and a nice left turn and final nail for the trilogy, would be to have the next film as a huge set piece, something like The Long Halloween (but not that), Dog Day Afternoon or Die Hard.

It's all so old hat now. I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.

i like mei's idea

The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree. Knowing that a series will go that route is like hearing a previously decent band describe the next album as "their Sgt. Pepper," or whatever the best tip-off is that cocaine's on the mixing board and we're all in for something bloated.

I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.

but that's just using the 'two face' story again, really.

The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree.

They already did that, tho, in TDK. It worked because the stories were linked-up nicely in the script (unlike other attempts at multiple villian films, e.g. Nos. 2 -- 4 of the old Batman franchise).

But generally I agree with you.

I actually don't think it worked that well. Two Face was give fairly short shrift. Don't think we'll be seeing a third movie for a few years anyway.

Just hoping they don't let Cookie Monster dub his vocals for Batman again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc

The multiple villain thing in "Batman Returns" was great. (well, hero/antihero/villain)

oh wait, Christopher Walken was there too so there were multiple villains

didn't think it worked, tbh. didn't give two face enough time to develop, especially as he was so central to the drama at the end. he just had a tough scene and turned evil.

Yeah, I thought Dent's transformation to Two-Face was the least credible thing in TDK.

Alongside the idea that Joker had somehow planned it beforehand that he would transform like that.

apart from the flying bat billionaire ninja, i assume. xp

I've found its best not to start thinking too hard into how Joker pulled that complicated scheme together, especially the jailbreak, as it involves holes large enough to drive a semi through. Still love the movie to pieces though.

There's different levels of credibility. Even if it's a fantasy, you have to convince the viewer that what happens is credible within the boundaries of this particular fantasy. Bruce Wayne's transformation in Batman Begins feels believable because so much time and justification is devoted to it. Compared to that, Dent's transformation in TDK feels rushed and random, not quite as believable.

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joker jailbreak the big one. but yeah it's still great stuff.

Dent's transformation into Two-Face is being wholly overblown by ppl familiar with the comic books IMO; all he was was a pissed-off dude with a burned face who was exacting vengeance on the ppl he thought were responsible for his fiancee's death.

That's true, it wasn't as if he immediately became this "Two Face" personality.

He did start throwing the coin and thinking justice is random, didn't he? Also, Joker's plan seemed to depend on Dent becoming crazy in a way that would taint his former reputation, which means Joker is helluva planner.

when is joker NOT portrayed as a helluva intricate planner to the point of complete ridicness?

Most of the time, at least in comics. Being crazy prepared is Batman's attribute, not really Joker's.

are you talking about the same joker who schemed to become iran's ambassador to the UN so he could gas everyone and yet claim diplomatic immunity

maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that

― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 16:24 Bookmark

This could be really cool, and it would be a different twist on the "how good are Gotham's people really" theme - now testing whether their fascination with Batman has more to do with the fact that he fights crime or the fact that he's freaky and exotic. Fabulous, winking, quipping playboy Riddler, while robbing banks and so on, ends up being more popular than Batman!

(Could also take the opportunity to talk about the shit economy, people being fed up with fat cats = guy who robs banks is a kind of folk-heroic Robin Hood.)

Also kind of like the Die Hard 3 idea, just as a way of making the riddles less inexplicable...

The real challenge of course is the pressure to do another "serious" film after #2, but having not so many pressing issues left to cover that fit well under the Bat umbrella. TDK kind of covered most of the really interesting ground, it's gonna be hard not to just descend into the mythos and tell internally interesting but globally uncompelling stories with the characters.

http://nooneknowswhatitslike.ytmnd.com/

Sure this further ruined the song for me and I'll never unhear it, but it's not like I was gonna listen to "Who's Next" again anyway, right?

what a disaster for the who

and what a coup for internet memes.

Hardly any real detail here but:

While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it.

Still hoping for Riddler or Anarky, would accept Solomon Grundy or Victor Zsasz (maybe Mad Hatter or Clayface)

pretty sure that nolan's batman deserves a day-lewis villain

haha playing arkham asylum has made me totally ok w/riddler being the main dude. actually i'll even take harley quinn as an option.

if i have to watch gyllenhal in a catsuit act poorly i will be very angry

he was planning on a DeLouise villain until last May (xpost)

if i have to watch gyllenhal in a catsuit act poorly i will be very angry

What if it was Jake?

i'll be angry if i have to watch gyllenhaal act poorly in another one of these movies period. stay dead!

Zsasz would be awesome, but I can't imagine a studio going for it. That's next-level dark even for Nolan's franchise.

just glanced at the wiki entry for the zsasz character. yikes! that is dark. i guess it would allow the two-villain theme to continue (zsasz and penguin).

Could live with Eckhart having some further involvement; don't get why TwoFace was meant to be any more dead than Batman was after they both fell off the same thing

twoface obviously in arkham at end of TDK?

haha ok so if they use zsasz, would they have to keep him cast and played by the lead singer of James? because that would be pretty funny.

god I hope so

He later breaks out of Arkham to kill the doctor where the other doctor frantically calls her to warn her but is interrupted by Zsasz knocking on the door and the doctor going to answer the door the fate of the doctor in unknown but most likely killed by Zsasz.

great wikipedia moment

LOL

sounds like a hyperventilating 13-year-old trying to describe his favourite video game

plz let that be repruposed into actual dialog in the movie

narration

in scary batman voice

someone explain to me why nolan has an english accent and his brother an american accent.

pretension