I HATE APPLE

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I dunno what is "all this awful shit" since only the last three macs I've (we've) bought have had issues, and I treated my old powerbook like crap. Before that I had a turquoise 300mhz iBook that still runs, AFAIK, a handmedown black PB that had a monitor cable problem once, and an 8500 that worked like a charm.

I only got the 20" iMac because I figured it had been in production long enough that they ought to have worked out any major problems.

The rest of "all this awful shit" is pretty much OS X being 100% crappier than advertised. Shit, Ableton & Firefox run on Windows too, I'll just get a core duo ugly machine, at least they don't obfuscate the living shit out of their fucking directory structure and I CAN USE THE TAB KEY TO ENTER DATA INTO ALL FIELDS, TEXT OR OTHERWISE, WHEN I'M ON THE INTARNERT. HOLY SHIT LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE DO THAT, LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

First attempts prove unsuccessful:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1945000/images/_1949073_mouse_ear300.jpg

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, your powerbook didn't have any actual hardware related problems either, you just broke it. Two different things. So, really, you're talking about ONE "awful shit" occurring. Everything else that Jon is classifying as "awful shit" happening to you is--whoa, sit down, wait for it--actually just that you and he disagree on how you want your operating systems to work, not, like, anything actually bad has happened. He'll come around to your point of view in another year, considering he's already backed down/changed opinion on several OS/software-related things.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon still being unable to understand the difference between "iTunes is a shit program" and "awful shit happened to me" shocker.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I just said all of that!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it???? I mean these are your "creative Powerusers" or whatever, of course they're going to IMMEDIATELY want to open up Final Cut Pro, Word, Photoshop, Quark, all at once, oh and ITUNES so that they can do all this with only the coolest beats jamming along behind them in the background - because everyone knows iTunes plays COOLER MUSIC than other music players - but can you?? Can you fuck! It's like letting you buy a Camaro but charging extra for fourth gear.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

iTunes isn't as shit as iPHOto though, seriously.

I CAN USE THE TAB KEY TO ENTER DATA INTO ALL FIELDS, TEXT OR OTHERWISE, WHEN I'M ON THE INTARNERT. HOLY SHIT LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE DO THAT, LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

PREFERENCES, KEYBOARD AND MOUSE, KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS, FULL KEYBOARD ACCESS. THE END. (WORKS IN SAFARI AND FIREFOX)

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

SHITTY DEFAULT SETTINGS IS TOTALLY BITING THE MSFT STEEZ

THANKS THOUGH MAYBE I'LL GET TO TRY IT AFTER I GET A BRAND NEW ONE FROM THE GENIUSES THIS AFTERNOON

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll knock on wood here too and say i've had no trouble at all with my brand spankin' new imac.

Any ideas on what I should do with my old cyan G3 - i just don't think i can part with it (even tho the thing is 100% dead). Maybe fill it with skittles or turn it into a toaster?

XPOST

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

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TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

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TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

my problems with 10.4.7 stemmed from the fasct that it seemed to not remember any passwords in my keychain leading to: mail asking me for passwords every 5 minutes. msn messenger wouldn't launch. i couldnt use webmail in safari.

there were other small bugs including the fact that my audioscrobbler wouldnt work (it kept asking for my password and when i provided it a dialogue box would come up telling me it was already saved in my keychain followed by another DiagBox asing for my password).

most importantly for me, but not for you, was the fact that my arch drawing package powerCADD wouldnt run at all.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

REBUILD 1 KEYCHAIN HIPPIE

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

My Macbook has been struck by the affliction that's affecting quite a number of the machines; it keeps switching itself off, eventually getting into a cycle of turning itself off every time you hit the power button. A PMU reset fixes it, or at least allows you to boot it up, but the problem comes back a few hours later. What fun. It's in with AppleCare at the moment, but many have got their machine back 'fixed' only to have it begin again a few days afterwards…

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it????

Do you not realize that Apple basically ships computers with JUST enough RAM to run the OS and core apps??? The first generation G4 towers had 64 MB for Chrissake!!!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't it incredibly stupid to let everyone else get a two-week to one-month jump on announcing their new Intel products while Apple waits for SPECIAL MEDIA EVENTS so that Steve can pleasure himself before the geeks?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you not realize that EVERYONE basically ships computers with JUST enough RAM to run the OS and core apps???

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Not really. All the laptops I see in the $1500-2000+ range all come with one or two GB. All the new Dell and Gateway Core 2 desktops are shipping with at least a gig.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, some of those Dells come with 2 gigs. Color me surprised

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dealing with a seemingly knowledgeable and helpful Genius Bar person now who is also a BRITISHES!!!! I have fallen into Opposites Universe

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought an EXTRA 512mb to make sure my iMac didn't suck and it is about to turn out that that's how I got BURNED!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I should retract part of the above statement since TBH every customer service person I've ever met who was of British descent has been incredibly competent, polite and professional.

Now he's replacing the RAM and running SECRET TESTING in the back room which is frankly extraordinary, if I had taken this to the old Apple Store in Clarendon I'm sure those folks wold have just packed it up and shipped it off and not even told me they were sorry.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you at Pentagon City, Tombot? Turn back, turn back. Get computer while still can and get out of store.

Although I do remember there being a fairly competent Britishers genius replacing ipods left and right when I was there.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

My case was deferred to Britishes by a large samoan-looking fellow with glasses and ambitious facial hair. Britishes also just handed the folks next to me two brand-new 4GB Nanos because their batteries were being shit!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

$900 worth of motherboard work for free! Should be back on Wedensday with no HD wiping or anything.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

TBH every customer service person I've ever met who was of British descent has been incredibly competent, polite and professional

that's weird: the only remotely useful CS dude i've dealt with recently was a bloke called ryan in the states somewhere.

plus ca something-or-other, or something.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it????

Based on the (admittedly) small sampling of laptops and work environments I've run across, I'll give you even odds that most MacBook Pro users are only using Microsoft Office - specifically Entourage, Word, and PowerPoint. Most of them don't care how much RAM they have, they only care that it's not the "low end" model, it runs PowerPoint, can connect to an Exchange server, will output to some sort of LCD projector, and connect to an iPod.

Even in graphic, video, film, audio freak central here in LA - most of the users I run across are Office people and that's it. The geek crowd are already going to max out their RAM from Kingston or Crucial so there's no incentive for Apple to put more RAM in it - especially given the constant volatility of the RAM market.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Since Office requires Rosetta, that makes it even worse. Office don't run for shit on an Intel Mac with 512MB.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally witnessed some major iTunes fuckery on a friends laptop last week. It began with a freeze, then a forced restart wherein the blinking '?' appeared over and over after many boots. Booted from the install disk to run Disk Utility and hard drive could not be found?! Gave up. Next day, reset PRAM on a whim and it started up... but Disk Utility failed to run with an error message. Turns out the error was AN ITUNES FILE WHICH HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WHILE DISK UTILITY RAN THEN PUT BACK IN WTF ITUNES WTF ITUNES WTFITUNESWTFITUENSKFJKGLWRJGjg

Lmaoborghini (eman), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

512MB RAM is not "Pro", is my only point.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

if all they run is office, why bother having a Mac?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG Tom

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

if all they run is office, why bother having a Mac?

They "heard it was better."

Seriously, that's the reason they give. I wasn't going to argue with them since they were paying me to set things up, but in a few of the cases the client bought an iPod at a Apple store (because iPods are an It Item) and then decided to buy a new laptop while they're at it.

Meanwhile, they want to connect it to a corporate network via some weird VPN protocol, connect to an Exchange server, sync to their Blackberry, blah blah blah. To be fair, I like these types of clients more than the OS jihadists though.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

if all they run is office, why bother having a Mac?

it's this amazing new invention called "choice".

sorry, kyle, what's your point here? i'm not exactly a power user. should i not be allowed a mac either? fuck's sake, we should be happy people are buying the bloody things ... ten years ago i'd have bet good money apple was on the way out.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 06:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Apple's reputation for shipping machines without enough RAM really goes back to the first Mac - and the decision to ship the first Mac with only 128k was made directly by Steve Jobs. Even the fact that they were potentially upgradable to 512k had to be kept a secret from him by the engineering team.

But then, nowadays they have a hugely bloated OS. My PC runs fine in 512M, and has quite a lot more stuff running on it than your average Mac.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 07:09 (seventeen years ago) link

not to mention that running a Mac means no spyware or virus worries (yet.)

I've always been appalled that Macs don't come loaded to the gills with more RAM.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

OK did no one else see the Eli of All Cosmos up there??????

Also, grimley, I'm fairly certain his point was "Why purchase a more expensive machine if it will only run Office?" and, quite frankly son, your answer needs work.

ps the real answer is that theoretically the damn things should work better than that, kyle.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know TOM's flickr links never work. Perhaps the photo is flagged private?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Hijacking a Macbook in 60 Seconds or Less

The video shows Ellch and Maynor targeting a specific security flaw in the Macbook's wireless "device driver," ... While those device driver flaws are particular to the Macbook -- and presently not publicly disclosed -- Maynor said the two have found at least two similar flaws in device drivers for wireless cards either designed for or embedded in machines running the Windows OS. Still, the presenters said they ultimately decided to run the demo against a Mac due to what Maynor called the "Mac user base aura of smugness on security."

"We're not picking specifically on Macs here, but if you watch those 'Get a Mac' commercials enough, it eventually makes you want to stab one of those users in the eye with a lit cigarette or something," Maynor said.

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the second one should work! since i do them by actually pasting screenshots into PAINT and then "Save As" it originally had a bunch of stupid underlines for spelling and grammar (UH) and it looked like amateurish dribble. so I deleted it 30 seconds after uploading. much like the horrible photo of myself i took with photobooth.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, grimley, I'm fairly certain his point was "Why purchase a more expensive machine if it will only run Office?"

nah, that's a "they" meaning "they", not, er, "they".

kyle?

and hey, i think keeping a major corporation alive is a dandy reason for buying a mac. i mean, it's apple! lookit the little stripy logo and ... it smiles when you turn it on! and you have to hug it to find the switch! and ... HEY, HANG ON, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUCKING MACS I KNEW AND LOVED?

cunts.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

dude fuck a cutesy faux socialist corporation in its happy face ear.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

On that note,
good thing for him he made that Disney deal.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Also last night we decided if the Apple ads were attempting to express a more accurate metaphor for how computers would behave if they were human beings, the Mac dude would all of a sudden vomit copious amounts of blood in the middle of a sentence followed by the PC guy violently voiding his colon and going blind.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

OK so in the latest dilemma of how to deal with being screwed, should I:

A) Get another Genius appointment and take this [still kernel-panicking for no reason even with brand new motherboard iMac] back to the Store for more warranty-enabled service work, or;

B) Call Applecare as soon as they open at 9am EST and ask how to exchange this "build-to-order" POS for another "build-to-order" iMac without paying some goddamn restocking fee, or how to get my $2000 back.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Results 1 - 10 of about 51,800 for lemon Intel iMac. (0.12 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 295,000 for Intel iMac faulty motherboard. (0.55 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,840,000 for Intel iMac logic board replaced. (0.35 seconds)

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Get your money back. This is some bullshit.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I was all primed to buy an Intel Mac but now I think I'm going to wait a while.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I took option B) and got asked to run Disk Utility. So I made another Genius Bar appointment that based on the results of running Disk Utility from the Install CD when I get home will probably be cancelled, because Dan OTM.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Fucking Disk Utility. Oh yes, I never thought of that, I'm sure frequent kernel panicking is happening because A FILE HAS BAD PERMISSIONS. That's Unix for you, right!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 7 August 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link


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