Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

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Scissor Sisters of Mercy, there's an idea.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

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― toby (tsg20), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:05 (twenty years ago) link

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― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

this is like when the newspaper i work at (the "mirror") got this elaborate letter from a chinese mirror-making factory! ("We would like to state that we specialize in MIRROR.")

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

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I do not like the scissor sisters, their music makes me feel unhappy.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

rotten gig on saturday @ astoria.

so much good feeling/good will/positive anticiapation vibes visbly draining from the crowd. there was a slagging in the paper for the norwich gig too ('very ordinary cabaret'). all a bit of a yawn.

next!

― piscesboy, Monday, 5 April 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

What's "Backwoods Discotheque" on the Take Your Mama single like? Better than "Backwoods Pt II" off the demo? I gather it's not exactly the same song...

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

Their (or Ana's) favourite soap is called "Passions" I think... she sold it to me. It sounded kinda like Sunset Beach (in the "I'm your secret long lost brother and I do VOODOO!" "no!" "Yes! It is I who bring you to this place to bear witness to your third cousin's rampant affair with your brothers dog's owner!" "I still love you!" way).

Apparently they had guitar problems at a recent show, and they acted out whole scenes from it. I appreciate that.

― John Cei Douglas, Monday, 5 April 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

I'm so glad that "Backwoods" is getting released! That's fantastic.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...

'Comfortably Numb' is a bad song. It is still bad when the Scissors Sisters cover it. I feel that the Scissors Sisters are this year's Junior Senior (ie no good but inexplicably popular with people who ought to know better).

No, United States of Electronica (worst band name ever) is this year's Junior Senior.

― scottontharox (scottkundla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

why compare these guys to the bee gees?, they sound WAAAY closer to Elton John..

― chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, "Comfortably Numb" sounds like The Bee Gees. "Take Your Mama Out" sounds like Elton John. Single comparisons don't work for the Scissor Sisters b/c they have a deliberately chameleonic approach.

I was deeply ambivalent about them initially but I really like the album now.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

At different times they sound like a lot of other bands, including The Bee Gees, Elton John, Erasure, The Darkness, Pink Floyd, Prince, and even Steely fuckin Dan, man.

― scottontharox (scottkundla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

the album is okay, but implying that any of their songs contain the sophistication of Prince or Steely Dan or the Bee Gees is a collosal fucking joke. The Scissor Sisters stuff is fun and goofy, but it isn't particularly complex or stuffed with masterful musicianship.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"Laura" >>>>> the entire Steely Dan catalog except for maybe "Through With Buzz"

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

you're insane. Have you actually listened to Katy Lied, Aja, etc?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

We've listened to Aja enough.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Shakey, all three bands you mention are frequently fun and goofy. If there is a problem with Scissor Sisters it's certainly not that their music isn't sophisticated or masterful - if anything what put me off the album initially was that it sounded too studied and thought through.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I still wish they were Bobby Conn with DFA beats.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

They're just not fun enough for me.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sayin I don't like the Scissor Sisters record - I'm saying that in terms of pop composition, musical technique, actual playing chops, etc. Steely Dan, Prince, and the Bee Gees were all INSANELY technically accomplished. Those guys were all highly trained musicians working in a very tight idiom that required a voluminous knowledge of music theory and pop history in order to get over. The Scissor Sisters play shit that the Ramones could play. Those parts are not hard, their songs are simple, there's nothing particularly innovative or daring in their arrangements or in the way the songs are performed. They're slick, yes, but that's just the computers and the budget talkin.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i find it nearly impossible to believe the mimsy joke i heard on "comfortably numb" is fit to lick the dirt from steely dan's toenails

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

on top of that, lyrically Steely Dan's stuff is pretty complex and fun to dissemble - they're jammed with details and sly turns of phrase. Prince too (albeit in a very different way - and he's fully capable of atrocious lyrics). The Scissor Sisters don't tell stories, their lyrics aren't dark counterpoints to the music, they don't even have particularly memorable lyrical hooks (apart from that 'take your mother out tonight' line). Masterful popsmiths these guys are not. They're more like bubblegum songs, Chinn/Chapman, that kind of thing.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Besides "Take Your Mother Out" is a note-for-note rip of the Primals "Loaded" - right down to the beat, the wah-wah guitar part, and the piano-led chord progression (which iteslf is copped from "Sympathy for the Devil"). That ain't genius pop musicianship - that's laziness, funny tho it may be.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I find the subtext of "Take Your Mother Out" to be pretty sad, actually. The predicament in the song reminds me of a lot of people I know.

Strongo, I'd argue that "Comfortably Numb" is the weakest moment on the album.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Steely Dan can be alright, but they could never be half as great as a POP band as the Scissor Sisters. Songs like "Laura" and "Better Luck" stomp all over them in this respect.

Though I respect chops, they really aren't necessary to pull off a great pop song. The Scissor Sisters aren't virtuosos on the level of Prince or Steely Dan, but that isn't really what they are going for.

Bubblegum > "dark counterpoints"

Prince's lyrics > Becker & Fagan's lyrics

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Scissor Sisters = music primarily to sing along and dance to

Steely Dan = music to write a thesis paper about

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't understand why anyone is comparing them to Steely Dan in the first place. It's probably more accurate to compare them to George Michael circa Faith.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

And ha, George Michael > Steely Dan!

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

are you fuckin mad??? Do I need to remind you that Steely Dan actually had radio pop HITS on the charts??!? For years?!? The Scissor Sisters haven't reached a fraction of the pop audience that Steely Dan had in their heyday. I don't think I understand what your definition of "pop" is... but yeah, I don't get how anyone could compare Steely Dan to the Scissor Sisters. They don't sound anything alike as far as I can tell, and obviously their respective approaches to music couldn't be more different.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Could some please get Shakey a bib?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

fetch me a Manhattan on the rocks while you're at it.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

scottontharox, since you've driven Shakey to drink, which SS song sounds like Steely Dan to you? Cause I'm hearing Elton John (and thus Wham/George Michael), I'm hearing the Bee Gees, I'm hearing Bowie, but after that you've lost me.

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Why is it so important that SS sounds like Elton John/Steely Dan/Beegees/Bowie etc?

I view this album as my disposable pop album of the year. I'll listen to it now, but in 12 months time it'll probably be relegated to the back of the CD cupboard.

― jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, it's total pastiche and I'm not arguing that's a bad thing, I just couldn't see that SD was one of the bands that was being, er, honored.

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

jellybean echoes my feelings on the album to a 'T'. The record is fun and, like a lot of good pop, ultimately totally forgettable.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't see the necessary connection between "good pop" and "ultimately totally forgettable". The NKOTB argument has been raised a thousand times on this board and I've never seen it substantiated convincingly.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The record is fun and, like a lot of good pop, ultimately totally forgettable.

I don't buy that. Good pop records are things that you listen to a lot, then kinda phase out, but if you hear it again, you get that nice rush of "oh man, I LOVE this song, I haven't heard it in forever!"

You don't forget great pop.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess that depends on whether you consider NKOTB "good pop" or not. Conversely, I consider Steely Dan good pop but obviously I don't consider them forgettable. The Scissor Sisters strike me as more the disposable version of pop (yes, like NKOTB or Duran Duran).

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

eh, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Duran Duran there - strike that.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe you just like Steely Dan more than the Scissor Sisters and Duran Duran, and there really isn't some special reason for that.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I wasn't aware I was giving special reasons for liking anything - I was just irritated at people comparing apples (the Scissor Sisters) to oranges (Steely Dan). They're both pop, but they're vastly different. And IMHO Steely Dan's got them beat in terms of lasting tunes and the depth of their work.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

and I do like Duran Duran! Totally barmy lyrics, "The Chauffeur" is the greatest, etc.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

People still remember NKOTB songs! Whether they're actually good is irrelevant to this!

I don't believe there is an intrinsic quality that makes one tune "lasting" and another transient.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

you don't see any connection between considering a song "good" and enjoying it over a long period of time?

I don't understand you people.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the SS album is great pop, but this is also the problem with any pop albums. It's very NOW. So a few years on, it'll just be a strange thing to listen to regularly.

It's also like the Darkness album, that I haven't touched since last autumn.

― jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

No.

― John Cei Douglas (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

the answer is now no. still like comfortably numb tho

― minna (minna), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Andrew WK vs Scissor Sisters

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

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