I dunno, I did an oracle implementation back in '99 and never heard the l word once.
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I think the thing is everybody's realized you can in fact run redhat and still get "mission-critical" uptimes, so it's not oracle (app vendors don't give a shit what you run it on, it's all the $ame to them), it's the service providers/outsourcing businesses and their customers
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:01 (sixteen years ago) link
and of course very little has actually changed in the last six years or so besides the volume of anecdotes out there supporting linux as a perfectly respectable business decision for a CIO
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:03 (sixteen years ago) link
IMO
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Ellison kinda does care, personal vendetta or no.
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link
oracle cares for two reasons 1) they host their apps so they're in the service provider business, and 2) they're not in the os business so if linux support keeps their customers away from vendors with a competing enterprise rdbms (e.g. ms/ibm) all the better
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:12 (sixteen years ago) link
but, yeah there are enough success stories out there that the risk is perceived to be low by trembling cios
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm not a massive nerd.
― S-, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link
thanx for that, pants
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link
beat it kid, the nerdz are talking
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link
richer than you lol
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link
except tom he works for the gubbermint
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Le ouch.
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:25 (sixteen years ago) link
um
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.clearancejobs.com/security_clearance_jobs_salary_survey3.pdf
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Wait why does desktop support require a security clearance?
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link
because the desktops being supported may contain classified information?
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link
why does an FBI cafeteria lady have to take a polygraph?
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link
*plop*
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link
God this is a tough room tonite pls tips in jar by piano.
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link
dude you'd be making so much more in iraq
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link
haw
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link
tax-free too!
however stay-on bonus means you get to keep your arms and legs
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link
RIMSHOT
Well this has been a disappointing thread.
― fields of salmon, Friday, 14 March 2008 05:54 (sixteen years ago) link
fos, in my analyst work all I ever have to do is log in via putty and dick around with a few unix-CLI specific tools. I suspect the same for the vast majority of the world. if they want a redhat admin they'll advertise for a redhat admin. also remember you are always qualified for the job you want, I thought that was a duh.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 06:03 (sixteen years ago) link
the vst player i have my eye on (muse receptor) runs on linux, does using that count as being a linux user?
― electricsound, Friday, 14 March 2008 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link
heh, I chalk up my linux credentials to the one time I had to boot a fedora box up and X11 broke, so I had to go in and diagnose and then edit the config with vi and fire it up manually in order to do something I probably could have accomplished with mv, cp and awk
in other words I think being a linux user means knowing how to solve most problems with the identical end results in at least three different ways
― El Tomboto, Friday, 14 March 2008 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh yes, I think that's a problem with /etc/X11/xorg.conf! I know all about 'generic nvidia' Linux drivers too. Hell.
I am feeling pretty okay about this because I can comprehend everything that's being said on this thread. Thanks guys.
― fields of salmon, Friday, 14 March 2008 06:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Oracle had one of its wet pushes on Linux a few years ago, yeah. It made all this noise about how the impending Red Hat db was rubbish and only Oracle on Oracle Linux was any good etc etc.
Ellison even went through a bizarre phase of clearing everything Microsoft out of the company. That lasted three months. I spent that entire time configuring all the internal apps (mostly Java) to work perfectly on Red Hat 8/9 and received NO FUCKING KUDOS FROM ANYONE.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 14 March 2008 07:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Linux experience probably means being able to do all the unixy stuff like cron jobs, disk configuration and graceful shutdowns, but also understand package management and compiling the kernel. Or not.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 14 March 2008 07:29 (sixteen years ago) link
"must have linux experience" = the guy who's job you're taking over solved some problem using magic smoke and a linux server. The MCP here is afraid to touch it.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 14 March 2008 07:32 (sixteen years ago) link
wet pushes
― libcrypt, Friday, 14 March 2008 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link
this one's for you autumn almanac
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4281/tynan6in.gif
― Edward III, Friday, 14 March 2008 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
<3
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 14 March 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Posting this from my new Eee PC. It is fscking fantastic.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 21 March 2008 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Everyone needs one of these. Just awes. Thinner and lighter would be great though.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 05:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I am bidding for one on eBay now!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Thinner and lighter??
Yeah, the battery pack is annoying. Not a deal-breaker, just annoying. It's still less than a kilo.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 05:12 (sixteen years ago) link
okay i'm being unreasonable.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 05:13 (sixteen years ago) link
But ... How is the battery life? I've been looking at some of this microlaptops and they're quoting like 11 hours?????
― fields of salmon, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Christ. This thing will get you 3.5.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 06:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Does it really? I've been hearing tell that practically it's more like 1.5-2
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 06:39 (sixteen years ago) link
ugh I hope not. Seems all right so far, but I've hardly pushed it.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 06:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I guess I'll stick with my five year-old PowerBook. With a $79 battery replacement I'm getting 3.5 (wireless on) and it runs Leopard. At least 3.5!
― fields of salmon, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 06:57 (sixteen years ago) link
True, but the Eee is TINY. It fits in my funny little satchel thing.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 07:11 (sixteen years ago) link
is that what you call it
― remy bean, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 07:12 (sixteen years ago) link
A gay friend calls it my fag bag.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 07:25 (sixteen years ago) link