The Wit & Wisdom of Dinesh D'Souza

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Another great day. Would you believe there are such things as 'traditional Muslims?' Who knew?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm coming in late here -- D'Souza's entire argument, which he repeatedly circles around, is that there is a mainstream Muslim sensibility that somewhat lines up with a mainstream Judeo-Christian/moral sensibility in western culture that believes we're too permissive and promiscuous, right?

Does that mean we can we just turn off the MTV feed to the Middle East and set up a firewall to block TMZ.com or whatever and they'll stop being pissed off at us? Really, what the hell is he going at?

mh, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus, he just keeps going. He hits upon the same points again & again, declaring that the bogeymen of "The Left" and "liberals" are now active allies of the terr'ists. This shit is more insidious than your standard rightwing blogger screeds, b/c this guy is writing all of this with a calm, bespectacled scholarly tone. It's just a matter of fact that people you don't agree with politically are in fact working in cahoots with Bin Laden and the Iraqis to give you the ol' dolchstoss in the back.

Of course, when a conservative critic calls him on this shit, he suddenly has to reverse direction and deny the logical conclusion of all his writings:
At one point Berkowitz accuses me of holding that “the cultural left presents a threat to America as grave as that posed by radical Islam.” What? The Left is as dangerous to America as al Qaeda, the radical mullahs in Iran, the jihadist insurgents in Iraq, and the worldwide network of radical Islam? Nowhere do I say this, and I challenge Berkowitz to substantiate his allegation. My point is that the cultural Left, through its well-documented policies and its values projected abroad, is greatly strengthening the position of radical Islam. The two groups, I write, work in a kind of scissors motion, each prong operating separately, but moving toward the common end of defeating Bush’s war in Iraq. Yet Berkowitz accuses me of equating the danger posed by the Left and the Islamic radicals, as if I’m weighing one against the other.

kingfish, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Radical Islam and the right also work in a kind of scissors motion, each prong operating separately, but moving toward the common end of reshaping world culture into something that adheres to traditional religious tenets. If dude's grand claim were that "OMG opposing groups may have limited aims in common" you'd think he wouldn't bother wasting paper on it.

nabisco, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

mind blown by genius scissors analogy

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I thought D'Souza's commentary today about widespread Western misconceptions about Islam was mostly spot on, at least in the parts where he confined himself to talking about how Muslims actually live in the world, and how American commentators with little direct knowledge of these things can sound quite ignorant when discussing them.

o. nate, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

And maybe "traditional Muslims" is a poor choice of terms, perhaps a better term would have been "moderate" or "mainstream".

o. nate, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Or even "ordinary".

o. nate, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I thought D'Souza's commentary today about widespread Western misconceptions about Islam was mostly spot on, at least in the parts where he confined himself to talking about how Muslims actually live in the world, and how American commentators with little direct knowledge of these things can sound quite ignorant when discussing them.

meh. that's fine but it doesn't do this point of view any good when a TOTAL CRAZYPANTS is espousing it.

horseshoe, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

That is so unfair to D'Souza's pants.

nabisco, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

this cartoon from the rightwing op-ed thread pretty much sums up all of dsouza, in three brief panels:

http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7BBFBB8871-3E3D-4497-94BA-41B4317E1E6B%7D.gif

Which, again, makes me why these guys are agreeing with the terr'ists...

kingfish, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Victor Davis Hanson and various other conservative opponents have things to say in response to D'Souza apologia. They're not impressed.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

How badly has D'Souza shot himself in the ass? Predictions?

J, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

the Hanson piece is pretty good, i must say. i had no idea D'Souza had included Rushdie on his list of "insurgents," that is just beyond offensive and backward. before, this was all haha dinesh what a moran but now i really want to sock him in the fucking mouth

gff, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

nice subheader on the Hanson piece

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/03/19/scotus.bonghits.ap/index.html

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Why they want us to lose

But in a deeper sense, the behavior of the left and its political allies is a mystery. After all, the Islamic radicals are the most illiberal forces in the world. At least the socialists and the communists claimed to speak for liberal values, such as sexual and economic egalitarianism. It’s understandable why misguided college students might go around sporting Che Guevara T-shirts. But even American leftists don’t go around with Bin Laden or Khomeini T-shirts. Leftists know how the Bin Laden and Khomeini types feel about Hillary Clinton and Barney Frank. So why doesn’t the left want to fight the broadest and most aggressive campaign possible against a sworn enemy of liberal values?

[...]

Consequently the left in its political strategy seems to be applying the doctrine of the lesser evil. The left is allying with the bad guys in order to defeat the worse guys. Obviously leftists have no wish to live in the kind of society that Bin Laden seeks to establish. But the left also knows that Bin Laden wants to establish sharia in Baghdad, not Boston. Some elements on the left are willing to risk an Islamic fundamentalist state in Iraq in order to improve its prospects of defeating conservative government here in America.


Yes, THANK GOD AND ALLAH ABOVE, there's no difference between Sunni and Shia since Bin Laden will easily be able to join up with the Iraqi gov't and Sadr-types to establish the sharia that he wants.

also, communists => all about the fucking, obv, which MUST be the case why poor conservative Dinesh had such a lonely Dartmoth experience

kingfish, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Dartmouth, rather. etc

kingfish, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Guess what, the abortion issue is like the Lincoln-Douglas debates, except that Abe Lincoln is pro-life, or something.

(fun fact: abortion was legal during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, and would be up until the laws changed just after the u.s. civil war, about the same time a total reactionary(i.e. more than usual) got named pope)

kingfish, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

thats just fucking disgusting, i couldnt read more than a paragraph or tow

deeznuts, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw, but you'll miss lines like:

The abortion issue reveals the bloody essence of modern liberalism.

kingfish, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"as a former fetus"

lfam, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

wow, you were a fetus, too? i figured you grew out of a pod.

lfam, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

SPEAKING AS A FORMER SPERM, I WELCOME CUM INTO A WOMANS PUSSY.

deeznuts, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Dinesh on the new Hitchens book

I daresay I would welcome and be entertained by a broadcast of Hitchens arguing with and/or zinging this guy(or attempting to)

kingfish, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

god, only if they mutually destroyed each other and were never heard from again. that would rule.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 05:20 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

Very witty:

Although D’Souza has been married for 20 years to his wife, Dixie, in South Carolina he was with a young woman, Denise Odie Joseph II, and introduced her to at least three people as his fiancée.

Finally, near 11 p.m., event organizer Tony Beam escorted D’Souza and Joseph to the nearby Comfort Suites. Beam noted that they checked in together and were apparently sharing a room for the night in the sold-out hotel. The next morning, around 6 a.m., Beam arrived back at the hotel and called up to D’Souza’s room. “We’ll be down in 10 minutes,” D’Souza told Beam. D’Souza and Joseph came down together, and Beam took them to the airport.

The next day another conference organizer, Alex McFarland, distressed by D’Souza’s behavior, confronted him in a telephone conversation. D’Souza admitted he shared a room with his fiancée but said “nothing happened.” When I called D’Souza, he confirmed that he was indeed engaged to Joseph, but did not explain how he could be engaged to one woman while still married to another. When asked when he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, D’Souza answered, “Recently.”

According to San Diego County (Calif.) Superior Court records, D’Souza filed for divorce only on Oct. 4, the day I spoke with him. Under California law, that starts the clock on a six-month waiting period for divorce. D’Souza on Oct. 4 told me his marriage was “over,” said he “is sure Denise is the one for me,” and said he had “done nothing wrong.”

The episode is a strange twist in D’Souza’s otherwise meteoric rise in the evangelical world. He developed a reputation among evangelicals with a string of best-sellers, including The Roots of Obama’s Rage, which spawned a movie, Obama: 2016, which has now grossed more than $30 million. He broke into the Christian conference and megachurch market in 2007 with the release of a book that year, What’s So Great About Christianity.

D’Souza now receives speaking fees sometimes in excess of $10,000 from Christian groups, putting him in the top tier of Christian speakers. In 2010 he became president of The King’s College, New York City, which is supported by Campus Crusade for Christ, now called Cru. At that time he moved from California to New York, with his wife staying in California.

D’Souza said King’s board chairman Andy Mills has known about his marital trouble for at least two years. Mills confirmed that through a spokesman, Mark DeMoss, who added that Mills was “hopeful about restoration and both he [D’Souza] and Andy were praying to that end.” DeMoss said The King’s College board met by conference call to begin “looking into the situation.” D’Souza participated in a portion of that call, DeMoss said. Following that meeting, on Oct. 15, D’Souza wrote in a text message to me: “I have decided to suspend the engagement.”

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

I'm surprised more people aren't saying something about this one!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

i just saw this. absolutely priceless.

there is no dana, only (goole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

speaking of "king of the trolls"...

there is no dana, only (goole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

buzzfeed has the lucky lady of course

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/other-woman-in-dinesh-dsouza-affair-is-a-dsouza

there is no dana, only (goole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link

if you google the "young woman"s name, you get her picture and fb profile. She looks pretty young.

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link

ha xp

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link

D'Souza's America

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

Denise liked Nine Inch Nails.
September 18th

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link

The Three Types of Liberal Pests You Find in Your Own Backyard, by Denise:

http://tinyurl.com/9nko4lg

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

she sounds like a real gem i wish them both the best

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

They do seem made for each other, why condemn their obvious true love?

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link

Her whole existence is flawed, but Dinesh brings her closer to god.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

Vom.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link

now you're down in it ned

balls, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

btw chick looks like a dude in anne coulter drag which is probably the point

balls, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link

World, a publication that strives to "report bad news because Christ's grace becomes most meaningful when we're aware of sin,"

Plenty to keep them busy

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

When asked when he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, D’Souza answered, “Recently.”

Reminds me of the scene in Snow White when she asks the seven dwarfs when they last washed their hands. "Recently!"

Sex Kitten mind control slave (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

how is this a scandal, really? right-wing evangelicals forgive almost anything if you say you've been born again/touched by the hand of god/raised them a lot of money/etc.

although the "you're asking me if i already filed for divorce.... yeah... hmmm....i'll get right on that...." is kind of LOL.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link

"you have to file for that?"

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link

Well that first link is from World mag, v. much an evangelical publication, and it sounds like there were people who pretty much flat out told him from the get-go he was not exactly in a state of grace.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, related to which:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/108694/the-right-wing-rivalry-behind-dinesh-dsouzas-sex-scandal

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link

And with guns a-blazin'!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/17/2016-obama-america-film-maker-am-not-having-affair/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:32 (eleven years ago) link

I sought out advice about whether it is legal to be engaged prior to being divorced and I was informed that it is.

"Hey, you, is this legal?"

"Uh, maybe?"

"Great, thanks!"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:33 (eleven years ago) link


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