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"weak".

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah as soon as that cast member (DYS!@#!@#) made his appearance i immediately wondered how the casting was done...

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

agreed that this one was a low point. hope this picks up soon, cos i'm hooked, and worried it's not going to be that great.

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

It's had brilliant moments (okay, yeah, I'm going to keep cheering on the Octavian, Pullo, Vorenus plots, Atia's good in small doses), but then there are entire weak eps (like the last one) that make me wonder.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

It's Octavian, Milo.

[special voice]he did actually go by the name Octavius for at least some of his life.[/special voice]

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

During his dative years, or something?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Shows like the Wire are realisticaly accurate that (as far as reference material) its easier to keep it exciting. Don't come down so hard on series. Its not bad...Its just really the British accents that are F'ing me up.

And YES Niobe is bad!!! In a good way. She was bad in Kama Sutra and still is.

Mr Godwell, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link


sweet sweet Niobe. even tho id rather fuck Atia.

and how badass is Marc Antony? having whores fight for his pleasure, what a monster. how cool.

JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Another slooooooooow week, and I hated the way the battle was handled (though that was somewhat redeemed later in the episode). Some great scenes, though - Lucius Vorenus and Pompey Magnus and then with Caesar. The guy who plays Cicero is an amazing actor, he's definitely the best of the Senators/patricians in the cast. Marc Antony runs a close second for his Caligula-like glee (cf. battling whores, yes).

Atia and her family/soap opera (aside from Octavian) remains a weak point of the show, even more boring now that they're irrelevant to the episodes themselves. There's something wrong with Brutus's mouth, I think, or maybe he just talks funny.

I'm not too keen on where the show is headed based on next week's preview - seems like they're compressing the civil war/Caesar meets Cleopatra (getting Lucius Vorenus's sloppy seconds by the look of it) more than is necessary. I wonder if maybe they'll actually finish this season with Caesar's assassination and begin the next season with Octavian becoming Augustus?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yea, I wasn't a fan of how they did the battle either, milo. Rest of the episode was pretty great though! Tobias Menzies as Brutus really reminds me of Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

It was my thought also, that they'd end this season with Caesar being killed, what with how fast things are moving. I'm not sure how well Max Pirkis would fit the role of the older Octavian so soon though, if this is the case.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought the high point of the series so far has been the Octavian/Pullo interaction, and that seems to be over for good now. Pullo/Vorenus is fun, too, but not quite as great.

I guess what I'm saying here is I'm worried it peaked about two weeks ago and we're on a downward slide now.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they did the battle scene that way to keep the budget low. I cracked up when they had Pompey explain what happened later by drawing it in the sand.

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Alan Moore fans may also find the escape from the desert island on raft stuffed with bloating corpses familiar. Is that gimmick used somewhere else that I'm not thinking of?

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 10 October 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I figured the budget was behind the soft-focus five-second battle. But they redeemed it a little with Pompey Magnus breaking down while explaining it to Vorenus.

I suspect what we're going to see next season is Pullo/Vorenus being split apart by loyalties. Vorenus swore fealty to Marc Antony in order to return to the XIII, Pullo has his in with the future Emperor.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought the ep was good! apart from how long my torrent took to come down. the creepiness of caesar's mercy to brutus and cicero was great.

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I am so glad I didn't watch this episode with my girlfriend. I would have a lot of explaining to do after the second of those freakishly enormous weiners came bursting onto the screen in HD.

Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The enormous weiner was in last week's episode.

The torrent took forever, and I had to find another one. Still, despite the battle scene, despite the lameness of the new Octavia story, and despite the ridiculous effect at the end -- let us say, despite being directed by TIMOTHY VAN PATTEN! -- it was a good episode. Dude with the fake nose was great, at least historically/visually. Casting the shows creators as gods within the actual show, kinda hokey, but I suppose it explains a few things.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i love this show - it's so ridiculous, hope and crosby just saved cleopatra - in the nick of time!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 17 October 2005 00:26 (eighteen years ago) link

casuistry otm, "protected by powerful gods" yes haha mister john milius.

i did think something was off about that conversation. the scene where pompey senses that he can play on vorenus' old school pieties to save himself i thought was well orchestrated, but then v's subsequent explanation to caesar didn't ring right; wouldn't he have expressed the same romey honor ("i could not enslave or kill such a man, sah" etc) which caesar would undoubtedly agree (he did kind of say this but eh). considering the historical record shows caesar weeping at the death of pompey and deposing ptolemy b/c of it (have not seen tonights ep yet, it's in the pipe) + his concern to bring cicero & brutus back into the fold... it seemed caes' anger was inserted just to have that gag answer it.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

also glad to see perfunctory closure of niobe/lyde stuff which was zzz

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn, Cleopatra's a freak.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 October 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

so does that mean that's Pullo's kid?

god, i LOVE this show. im so sad i don't get a new one next week.

JD from CDepot, Monday, 17 October 2005 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was thinking the discovery of it being Pullo's kid could be their tie in to why Caesar's son was killed by Octavian during his rise to power.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 17 October 2005 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

that, and what was cleopatra smoking? opium?

JD from CDepot, Monday, 17 October 2005 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Opium, yep.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 17 October 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

They don't really need a tie-in as to the death of Caesarion. He was a rival to the throne, the direct blood of Caesar (vs. Octavian being a nephew). It would actually be a better reason to spare him if news came out that Caesar was his daddy.

Hated the way they handled the siege and victory again - "blah blah blah IT'S BEEN A YEAR blah blah blah CAESAR IS VICTORIOUS." I know there are major budget constraints, but there's gotta be a better way to do that.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 October 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah the time advances are a bit clumsy. but what else, montage? i'll live with it. sort of wish the combats were done a little more care.

otherwise, exxxcellent ep!! wanton cleopatra ok by me, no use re-historicizing that, added junkie indie frisson just icing on the cake.

speaking of shakespeare, i was waiting to see the stoic brutus emerge, since they started him as a toff. reunion with mama very well done. it's a cold world!

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

re: budgetary constraints; skipped battles i'm ok with, but in looking at some of these a couple times i realize the built environments are pretty measly. esp. in egypt, shit was big! having scenes in minor anterooms or whatever, fine, but there was no sense of ancient scary pagan scope. not even perfunctory cgi pyramids! or the lighthouse! don't tell me the boys wouldn't do a little tourism.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

the forum scenes are so gorgeous though that I'll forgive them for skimping on egypt.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 October 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

There was no Atia in this week's episode! Victory!

There were gratuitous lesbian interpolations! Ah well.

There will be no episode next week? Why?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link

no!

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

They don't want to be competing with the world series.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

good lord this cleopatra is sexy

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

so is bittorrent fucking everyone else up or was there just nothing to say about ep 9?

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I will venture that it might have been the first good episode!

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

That was perhaps the first episode in the series that really wasn't self-contained. We are in the middle of threads now.

That was perhaps the best directed episode so far, though. Even Atia was pleasant enough.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

The Beeb are going to start showing this tomorrow. How I love living in a country with a proper public service broadcast...

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Its just really the British accents that are F'ing me up

What did you expect, the entire cast is British after all

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 11:52 (eighteen years ago) link

They should all speak in comedy Italian accents

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Now that they're all on directtv methinks I'll get caught up.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

What do you mean they're on DirecTV? In the pay-per-view section, or does DirecTV have an HBO On Demand-like setup now?

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, sorry. Not Directv, On-demand. Time to leave work.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The Beeb hasn't been showing this? But they, like, they produced it and stuff!

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

They're starting tonight. Beeb2, 9pm. No ad breaks. There are times when I think the BBC is priceless, and this is one of them.

I'm actually surprised they don't do more co-productions in this vein.

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

What's their policy on full frontal nudity? Rome just isn't Rome without landing strips and massive slave cock.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Landing strips in full effect tonight.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Enjoyable load of cobblers, good work BBC.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Cobblers indeed! I would guess that possibly as many as one of the people involved in the show might once have been in the same room as someone related to a person who once walked through a room when there was a TV documentary about ancient Rome playing.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

is caesars sidekick a slave or an employee?

isnt he the best charachter on the show? I love when caesar asks for his opinion and he PLOTS.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 3 November 2005 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

My impression was that he's a slave. And he's indeed one of the better characters.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 3 November 2005 01:09 (eighteen years ago) link


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