I HATE APPLE

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I'd never buy another Apple product if not for OS X. I hate the branding, I hate Steve Jobs, I hate the customer service, I hate the Apple tax, I hate the idea that PLAIN GLOSSY WHITE is some kind of design masterstroke, I hate the fact that I've yet to get a computer from them that didn't fuck up in some way - the company as a whole and its consumer strategy gives me the creeps.

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.


Also, Aperture 1.1 is a giant, overpriced piece of shit. A complete waste of $149 for me - Lightroom is a little slower, but it's currently free and actually gets my white balance right every time.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.

This is pretty much the most OTM thing on this, my favorite thread ever.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm convinced the problem is the laptop design/production? I've had Mac desktops forever and never had any physical problems. I had a beige G3 running for years past it's use, and I have one of the first single processor G5s and it's fine. Then I come here and hear nothing about complaints about portables.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The laptops are the worst - let's not worry about heat and usability, so long as we can advertise that we're ONE INCH THICK, because all those two-inch thick laptops are so difficult to use.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

But I also had a Quicksilver G4 with a bad hard-drive (not really Apple's fault, but they tried to charge me $50 to talk to someone on the phone getting it replaced, asshats), my G5 tower had problems with sleeping and randomly turning itself off, and there were a lot of problems with the first iMac G5s.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the computer in question that refuses to even accept sys disks at this point is an iMac, not a laptop. My sometimes-refuses-to-wake-up also-it-ate-my-iPod laptop is preferable in performance.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/dell%20banger2.jpg
^ DELL

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

haha the butler

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the dual-core Dell laptop my job gave me.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I should have just taken the box in for a replacement as soon as Terminal proved unable to launch
-- TOMBOT (tombo...), Today.

how can terminal fail when the os is on? that's bizarre

and tell me what is wrong with 10.4.7 because i just upgraded

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

aye, i've had no trouble with 10.4.7 ... yet ... my bouncy dashboard ball needed an upgrade, but it's been plain sailing since then. 12 days' uptime, and i think that's since i upgraded.

[touches wood] ... i've been very lucky with my apple hardware, i guess. i've had, what ... one powerbook 5300, one iMac DVSE, this here 12" G4 PowerBook, a first-gen iPod, a second-gen iPod and an iPod shuffle. the only one that isn't still working is the first iPod, and that's my fault for dropping it. yes: even the 5300 still works, 10 years since i bought it. and it's had a fucking ceiling collapse on it.

i'm tempting fate here, i know. perhaps i'm just stealing everyone else's apple karma. i dunno.

what i will say is that my PB5300 was one of the last they ever made (srsly: the fucker got phased out about a week after i took delivery). i've never been an early adopter [1] and p'raps that's the key.

or perhaps i'm just a jammy get.

[1] except with the iPod. and the shuffle. the latter, i have to admit, can display slightly shonkular behaviour at times, especially for something so bloody simple.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

there can't - can there? - be a difference in build quality between european and US machines? i mean, surely the chips are exactly the same? my PB5300, i think, was made in ireland and i was assured that "the irish ones don't blow up". anyway, hmm. just a thought.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i was assured that "the irish ones don't blow up"

Are you sure this wasn't a tired gag playing on Ireland's troubled history?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

aye, i've had no trouble with 10.4.7 ... yet

Zero trouble here too...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

No trouble with any of the 10.4s on Intel or the hardwrae, a US bought MBP, first of the non BTO 2.16Ghz machines. Apart from Powerbook G3 power supplies, I've never had a lemon. I know they're out there my brother's PBG4 display went phut and gareth's when phut somehow as well, but nothing has ever happened to me.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Not to gloat or anything, but Tom, do sparks leap out of your fingers, do metal objects stick to you, has a genius ever suggested that you might be the problem that you are fundamentally incompatible with Apple products.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:07 (seventeen years ago) link

(Hey, does anyone know when the next round of new hardware releases is likely to hit?)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:35 (seventeen years ago) link

WWDC, August 7th

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:12 (seventeen years ago) link

someone ought to use statistits to see what the likelyhood of all this awful shit happening to tom is...

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno what is "all this awful shit" since only the last three macs I've (we've) bought have had issues, and I treated my old powerbook like crap. Before that I had a turquoise 300mhz iBook that still runs, AFAIK, a handmedown black PB that had a monitor cable problem once, and an 8500 that worked like a charm.

I only got the 20" iMac because I figured it had been in production long enough that they ought to have worked out any major problems.

The rest of "all this awful shit" is pretty much OS X being 100% crappier than advertised. Shit, Ableton & Firefox run on Windows too, I'll just get a core duo ugly machine, at least they don't obfuscate the living shit out of their fucking directory structure and I CAN USE THE TAB KEY TO ENTER DATA INTO ALL FIELDS, TEXT OR OTHERWISE, WHEN I'M ON THE INTARNERT. HOLY SHIT LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE DO THAT, LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

First attempts prove unsuccessful:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1945000/images/_1949073_mouse_ear300.jpg

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, your powerbook didn't have any actual hardware related problems either, you just broke it. Two different things. So, really, you're talking about ONE "awful shit" occurring. Everything else that Jon is classifying as "awful shit" happening to you is--whoa, sit down, wait for it--actually just that you and he disagree on how you want your operating systems to work, not, like, anything actually bad has happened. He'll come around to your point of view in another year, considering he's already backed down/changed opinion on several OS/software-related things.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon still being unable to understand the difference between "iTunes is a shit program" and "awful shit happened to me" shocker.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I just said all of that!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it???? I mean these are your "creative Powerusers" or whatever, of course they're going to IMMEDIATELY want to open up Final Cut Pro, Word, Photoshop, Quark, all at once, oh and ITUNES so that they can do all this with only the coolest beats jamming along behind them in the background - because everyone knows iTunes plays COOLER MUSIC than other music players - but can you?? Can you fuck! It's like letting you buy a Camaro but charging extra for fourth gear.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

iTunes isn't as shit as iPHOto though, seriously.

I CAN USE THE TAB KEY TO ENTER DATA INTO ALL FIELDS, TEXT OR OTHERWISE, WHEN I'M ON THE INTARNERT. HOLY SHIT LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE DO THAT, LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

PREFERENCES, KEYBOARD AND MOUSE, KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS, FULL KEYBOARD ACCESS. THE END. (WORKS IN SAFARI AND FIREFOX)

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

SHITTY DEFAULT SETTINGS IS TOTALLY BITING THE MSFT STEEZ

THANKS THOUGH MAYBE I'LL GET TO TRY IT AFTER I GET A BRAND NEW ONE FROM THE GENIUSES THIS AFTERNOON

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll knock on wood here too and say i've had no trouble at all with my brand spankin' new imac.

Any ideas on what I should do with my old cyan G3 - i just don't think i can part with it (even tho the thing is 100% dead). Maybe fill it with skittles or turn it into a toaster?

XPOST

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

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TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

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TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

my problems with 10.4.7 stemmed from the fasct that it seemed to not remember any passwords in my keychain leading to: mail asking me for passwords every 5 minutes. msn messenger wouldn't launch. i couldnt use webmail in safari.

there were other small bugs including the fact that my audioscrobbler wouldnt work (it kept asking for my password and when i provided it a dialogue box would come up telling me it was already saved in my keychain followed by another DiagBox asing for my password).

most importantly for me, but not for you, was the fact that my arch drawing package powerCADD wouldnt run at all.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

REBUILD 1 KEYCHAIN HIPPIE

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

My Macbook has been struck by the affliction that's affecting quite a number of the machines; it keeps switching itself off, eventually getting into a cycle of turning itself off every time you hit the power button. A PMU reset fixes it, or at least allows you to boot it up, but the problem comes back a few hours later. What fun. It's in with AppleCare at the moment, but many have got their machine back 'fixed' only to have it begin again a few days afterwards…

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it????

Do you not realize that Apple basically ships computers with JUST enough RAM to run the OS and core apps??? The first generation G4 towers had 64 MB for Chrissake!!!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't it incredibly stupid to let everyone else get a two-week to one-month jump on announcing their new Intel products while Apple waits for SPECIAL MEDIA EVENTS so that Steve can pleasure himself before the geeks?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you not realize that EVERYONE basically ships computers with JUST enough RAM to run the OS and core apps???

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Not really. All the laptops I see in the $1500-2000+ range all come with one or two GB. All the new Dell and Gateway Core 2 desktops are shipping with at least a gig.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, some of those Dells come with 2 gigs. Color me surprised

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dealing with a seemingly knowledgeable and helpful Genius Bar person now who is also a BRITISHES!!!! I have fallen into Opposites Universe

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought an EXTRA 512mb to make sure my iMac didn't suck and it is about to turn out that that's how I got BURNED!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I should retract part of the above statement since TBH every customer service person I've ever met who was of British descent has been incredibly competent, polite and professional.

Now he's replacing the RAM and running SECRET TESTING in the back room which is frankly extraordinary, if I had taken this to the old Apple Store in Clarendon I'm sure those folks wold have just packed it up and shipped it off and not even told me they were sorry.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you at Pentagon City, Tombot? Turn back, turn back. Get computer while still can and get out of store.

Although I do remember there being a fairly competent Britishers genius replacing ipods left and right when I was there.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

My case was deferred to Britishes by a large samoan-looking fellow with glasses and ambitious facial hair. Britishes also just handed the folks next to me two brand-new 4GB Nanos because their batteries were being shit!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

$900 worth of motherboard work for free! Should be back on Wedensday with no HD wiping or anything.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

TBH every customer service person I've ever met who was of British descent has been incredibly competent, polite and professional

that's weird: the only remotely useful CS dude i've dealt with recently was a bloke called ryan in the states somewhere.

plus ca something-or-other, or something.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it????

Based on the (admittedly) small sampling of laptops and work environments I've run across, I'll give you even odds that most MacBook Pro users are only using Microsoft Office - specifically Entourage, Word, and PowerPoint. Most of them don't care how much RAM they have, they only care that it's not the "low end" model, it runs PowerPoint, can connect to an Exchange server, will output to some sort of LCD projector, and connect to an iPod.

Even in graphic, video, film, audio freak central here in LA - most of the users I run across are Office people and that's it. The geek crowd are already going to max out their RAM from Kingston or Crucial so there's no incentive for Apple to put more RAM in it - especially given the constant volatility of the RAM market.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Since Office requires Rosetta, that makes it even worse. Office don't run for shit on an Intel Mac with 512MB.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally witnessed some major iTunes fuckery on a friends laptop last week. It began with a freeze, then a forced restart wherein the blinking '?' appeared over and over after many boots. Booted from the install disk to run Disk Utility and hard drive could not be found?! Gave up. Next day, reset PRAM on a whim and it started up... but Disk Utility failed to run with an error message. Turns out the error was AN ITUNES FILE WHICH HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WHILE DISK UTILITY RAN THEN PUT BACK IN WTF ITUNES WTF ITUNES WTFITUNESWTFITUENSKFJKGLWRJGjg

Lmaoborghini (eman), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

512MB RAM is not "Pro", is my only point.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

if all they run is office, why bother having a Mac?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link


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