Scottish things and people that I like

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Holy shit, it's just come out on DVD!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/cult/2005/02/21/17166.shtml

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

mzui OTM. Unfortunately Scottish Screen wouldn't fork out for Sunset Song the movie so it's in limbo. A shame cos it was wotsisname who did the film of House Of Mirth.
I see you Steinbeck comparison in terms of the sense of place and how monumental social changes affect ordinary people, but it's more poetic in style.

Madchen OTM about Deuchars IPA. Harviestoun Bitter & Twisted is a good un too.

John Byrne is pretty awesome. I've never seen Tutti Frutti though. Apparently the reason it's never been repeated is that the BBC are being funny about royalites for the old rock n roll songs used on the show, but that always struck me as rather dubious.

Alexander 'Greek' Thompson. Renowned architect who made Glasgow look like it does, whose buildings have all too often been demolished or left to crumble by shortsighted/corrupt (ahem) local councillors.

The Barrowlands ballroom!

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Alexander 'Greek' Thompson

[ahem subs pls check spelling] but otherwise good fucking call.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Katie McLeod
Astrid
Pure
Mull Historical Society two years ago
Alistair Cook

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Alistair Cook was American.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know very much about Scotland.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Was Metal Mickey scottish? I've got it in my head that he was.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't know about Metal Mickey, but Supergran certainly was.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah! Supergran and Metal Mickey have morphed in my mind!

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

That old lady in Rent-a-Ghost. My Grandad used to play with her when they were kids.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

McWitch.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

hazel the mcwitch, no?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

also: as a poor confused englishman trying to reconnect with his roots, can anyone explain to me "glen michael's cavalcade" and why it is so bad and hated? i asked mrs fiendish but it turns out she absolutely loved it, and waxed lyrical about it.

i'm still not entirely sure what it was. a dude showing cartoons? that sounds kinda neat.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Glen Michael's Cartoon Cavalcade to you, matey. And it was genius. He unfolded hankies and cartoons appeared. He open cards and cartoons appeared. He scratched his arse and cartoons appeared. He had a talking oil lamp, and an Omnibot robot with the dome removed. They also produced cartoons from orificies various.

and my mum *FORGOT* to send in my birthday card to get read out. Unlike Mari0n W1ls0n's mum, who didn't. So on my birthday weekend, I had to suffer girl-cleverer-than-me getting her card read out by Glen. boo.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

His roadshow came to our wee town recently and they had to put an advert in the paper saying that only children would be allowed in, and not all the spotty youths and 20s adults who crammed it the last time he came.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the long and short of it GF. I loved it when I was wee, but then I loved cartoons. It was just this old bloke with Grecian 2000 hair and a talking lamp called Palladin for a sidekick. Palladin had a gruff voice and made terrible jokes or something. I remember very little of the chat, apart from Glen defending Mr Magoo from poltical correctness.
The one thing I did hate about the show was that whenever the cartoon featured written words - say Bugs Bunny picks up a letter or reads a book - Glen Michael would read it out. But perhaps that was me being precocious. I suppose it was handy for the tots. They'd also have a pop video slot. I remember them showing Saltwater by Julian Lennon once. STV producers really knew what the kids liked, eh?
Maybe people who are slightly older hate it. Probably if I watched it now I'd cringe. It was very much your old fashioned, paternalistic kids tv.

Ah yes - I forgot the hankies!

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Orificies. Bless.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

that sounds ace.

and this ...

So on my birthday weekend, I had to suffer girl-cleverer-than-me getting her card read out by Glen

this explains everything, stet :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Madchen hearts Scotland
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/lucyald/weeman.jpg

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, that's where our downtable sub-editors get to at this time of night.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not a matter of loving or hating Glen Michael's cavalcade. It had cartoons; you were a kid; there were only three channels and the only other option was something like Farming Outlook.

Glen Michael was in fact my first "gig" in Cumbernauld.

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

they are all indie???

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

what wee town was this stet? where was stet spawned?

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

here

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

It can't have been there... Most of the output is export to Aberdeen!

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Pretty much anything of any consequence was invented by the Scots, I feel. For instance, right now I'm researching an article about the history of VJing, and I've decided that the first VJ to merit the name is a Scot, Mark Boyle, who did light shows made of living wasps, chemical reactions, sperm and vomit for the Soft Machine and Jimi Hendrix. He died earlier this year, but what an extraordinarily "switched-on" Glaswegian he was! (That link is well worth reading in full.)

bloodthirsty barbarians who paint themselves blue and hurl themselves at the English, and yet the ultimate, almost parodic genteelness of the twee worldview of B&S, almost as if it's a an exaggerated reaction to the former (see also Momus). Is that all about the Highlands/Lowlands divide?

I don't think I'm particularly twee. I feel a sense of kinship with people like Alasdair Gray (I met him years ago in Aberdeen) and also with people like Stuart Murdoch, and also with Robert Burns. The gentleness in these people might be described as fierce, and, as in "The Wicker Man", there's a strong pagan sensuality and Celtic lyricism. My own ancestors were Gaelic speakers from the Hebrides (mainly the island of Mull, which my mother has written an excellent book about), and at least two of them (the McKechnies, Angus and Donald) won the bardic crown at the Mod for poetry in Gaelic.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

* i agree about the sky
* words, like "scripto" and "spyak"

i tried to visit mull once but the clouds poured down for two straight days and it was the most i could do to just see its outline across the harbor.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm.. kinship with stuart eh?
that's all i need to know...

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

my grandmother says that her mother swore we were somehow related to macbeth. in their mind, it went bean --> macbean --> macbeth

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm related to a cavelier poet. and a guy who sentenced witches to their death in salem! so much to be proud of

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Also ranking high on the "their gentleness was fierce" scale: Ivor Cutler, R.D. Laing and, er, Bobby Gillespie.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm surprised noone on this threat yet has mentioned gaelic-language children's tv. Padraig Post! Calum Clachair! Dotaman!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And the Gaelic dubbed version of Danger Mouse. Cos of the DM on his chest they couldn't make a literal translation so he became Donny Murdo! And the themetune was rerecorded with the guy from Dotaman singing Donny Murdo. Awesome.

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Straight outta Ayrshire, dahlin. *shudder*
and descended from a puppet king of yore.

Also Tracer Hand OTM. So many top words. Like "cushty", "gallus", "chankin" and "chips"

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

mahorsht mahorsht maheerst mahorsht a dotaman vit!

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

One Scottish renaissance man not mentioned here yet is Matt McGinn.
Humourist, playwright, teacher and he released eleven albums! The ones I've got are great (The Man, The Return of the Two Heided Man and a Greatest Hits on the mighty Lismor label).

everything, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Glen Michael's Cartoon Cavalcade wasn't a Scottish thing, it was a Central Belt thing. Us poor souls up in the sticks never got such a thing. I was once, upon moving to Glasgow, beaten unfairly in a pub quiz by not knowing about Paladin or Rusty, having never seen GMCC ever. It wasn't on on Grampian.

I like scenery and unfounded belief in crappy national football teams and tattie scones and butteries and wee pubs in the Briggait where men play banjos and "Dignity" by Deacon Blue and what Madchen said about the light (she forgot to mention me pointing out that the scenery stopped just south of Gretna) and hills and heather and the pool halls upstairs from the Scotia and the Woodside, and also the Woodside itself, especially its jukebox, and picnics in Kelvingrove Park and the view from the top of the hill at Daviot down to Inverness and the Black Isle and placenames like Acharacle and Ballachulish and single track roads with bemused sheep on them and the way the deer come down off the hills in the Highlands at dusk and the Trash Can Sinatras and the Old Man of Hoy and Christopher Brookmyre and the salmon leap at the Falls of Shin.

And some other stuff too.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Electric Brae is rubbish, by the way.

I forgot that most of all I love Gregory's Girl and Belle and Sebastian.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Butteries!
I went to uni in Aberdeen as some of you will know and was finally able eulogise them in print when I was commissioned to write the Herald Student Guide last year.

2. Eat a buttery
A traditional Doric delicacy, the Aberdeen buttery rowie is a gloriously Atkins-unfriendly combination of flour, yeast, salt and fat. Don’t be put off by the rock hard specimens they serve in Halls – get yourself to a local bakery for the real deal. Eaten with a nice bowl of homemade soup, there’s nothing better to fortify you against the North-East winter.

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Scottish things I like

Absolutely and Still Game. The book Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner. Ivor Cutler and the Incredible String Band. Some of the ned slang/retorts. "Away an run up ma ribs" etc. Irn Bru and anything Tunnocks. Oh and Altered Images. Scotch broth, Abroath Smokeys.

r.d. must lurk less. (fractal), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The Tesco across the road from my house now sells butteries. I didn't know you even got them down here. I love them. They are so supremely bad for you, yet brilliant at the same time. When I was tentatively making friends with people at university in first year, I immediately latched onto the bloke who asked if I would bring him back butteries when I went back home to Inverness.

Other good things: Mackies honeycomb icecream, Highland cattle, the Jesus and Mary Chain, Still Game (xpost!), Archie Gemmill's goal against Holland, West Highland accents.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

GREGORY'S GIRL!!

YOu know, all these things "feel" the same, even Momus. It's like, I dunno, a droll yet twee grimness.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of the ned slang/retorts

God, yes. The phrase "yer maw" is fantastic.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

YOu know, all these things "feel" the same, even Momus. It's like, I dunno, a droll yet twee grimness.

Yes, they do, but I think you can do that if you just pick things that are similar. I mean, Eddie Reader, Taggart, Thingummyjig and Joey Deacon Blue don't feel like that.

KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the great things about Scotland is it's proximity to England, (geographically) and America (culturally). We always have somewhere else to go, should we so desire.

Anyway, while you're mulling that one over, here's a random alternative list of non-pastoral, not gently surreal, uncosy spokespersons of a nation:

Janice Galloway (writer)
Bobbie Gillespie (musician)
Wattie Buchan from The Exploited (punk)
Bill Drummond (artist)
George Galloway (politician)
Elaine C. Smith (actress)
Alex Ferguson (sports mananger)
Peter Mullen (actor/director)

Excellent at swearing, all of them.


everything, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

George Galloway (politician)
Elaine C. Smith (actress)
Alex Ferguson (sports mananger)

Add Rosie Kane and you've pretty much got the antithesis of the spokeslist I would make.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Which Tesco is that Ailsa? I must pick some butteries up tomorrow. :)
Mackies honeycomb ice cream is gorgeous. Yum yum. Damn, all this talk of food is making me hungry.

Yeah, Gregory's Girl is great. Much love for Local Hero too. Still not seen That Sinking Feeling though. Must seek it out. What's Bill Forsyth up to these days?

Whisky Galore!

Takin' Over The Asylum

Robbie Shepherd (presents the Scottish country dancing programme on BBC Radio Scotland and spiks the Doric. His Doric column (boom boom) is the best thing about the Press & Journal. He's a dude, min.

Doric chat up lines: "Fit like ma bonny quine?"

Yer maw! Fannybaws! Whit!

Still Game is great of course (and it's on in ten minutes, hurrah!) but Navid deserves singular praise. "Ye mad shagger ye!" "Quality."

Bud Neill - surrealist Glaswegian cartoonist of the 50s. Created Lobey Dosser, whose statue sits on Woodlands Road. The strip transplants an East End community to the Wild West. Sheriff Lobey Dosser rides a two legged horse called El Fideldo and his arch nemesis is Rank Badjin. Its sensibility is remarkably modern, rich in references to pop culture of the time. Really odd and funny. http://netsavvy.co.uk/lobey/

Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm off to watch Still Game in a couple of minutes. Tescos is in Renfrew and I will bring butteries to the next Glasgow FAP. I can bring a bad old VHS copy of That Sinking Feeling as well if you like.

Taking Over the Asylum is utter genius and if you search it on ILX you'll find me calling for repeated repeats for the rest of all time. Or something. I wuv it. David Tennant! Ken Stott! Katy Murphy!

I have oddly high levels of affection for both Robbie Shepherd and The Beechgrove Garden.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Janice Galloway was my English teacher for a couple of years.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Scottish bands I rate:

The old Old school - The Rezillos, The Skids
The prophets without honour - The Thanes, Gin Goblins
The new school - Sluts of Trust, Sons and Daughters

I'm so bored with: our WONDERFUL post-punk heritage

Soukesian, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link


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