Simon Reynolds is a gobshite

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when he says "prematurely closed case" he doesn't mean suffering from neglect but that everyone's already made up their mind on what 20th century modernism means, what it was for, and how we're going to treat it in the future.

well, yes. with the proviso that there was no such thing as a unitary capitalized Modernism: everyone these days seems to be agreed that it was politically progressive, 'radically democratic', A Good Thing, etc. some of it was dedicated to changing the world. but to making it a better place? reynolds is welcome to a world envisaged by wyndham lewis, but include me out.

obviously part of modernism (constructivism) sort of scans as 'left' or utopian. but only in a very 1920s, top-down way. but brecht is a fairly shining example of why one should really back the fuck away from the idea that pre-war modernism, even when left-wing, is something whose passing we should regret.

(i'm mildly creeped out by the way 'utopian' has come to be seen as a A Good Thing in itself. most utopias, free-market or bolshevik (which is hatherley's) are awful.)

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link

er anyway that Reynolds quote is still pretty wack - it makes his whole avuncular patronage of Hatherley et al seem super creepy, I recognise that there is sexual content in the book but the appropriate response to that is not thigh-rubbing "slim and shapely"-style conventional lasciviisms, and by the way "rediscovering... the sexiness of severity" is such a tediously conventional thing, i mean if the visibility of porn aesthetics have taught us anything it is that people find severity sexy, it is possibly the worst way to represent what is quite a clear discussion of the problems of socialism and sexuality.

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i love how the word 'continuum' has just ceased to have any meaning for me.

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link

E of C is right - the book is really self-defeatingly sub-Lulu-self-publishing production-wise. Ironically, some of the prose, especially in the conclusion, feels like rambling first draft blog entry too - could have done with a bit more refinement.

Funnily enought, the company behind Zero Books is a wacky new-age crystals'n'meditation outfit. But I do think the imprint is a Good Thing (despite having a few issues with the whole k-Punk archipelago). I'm looking forward to N Power's One-Dimensional Woman.

Stevie T, Monday, 7 September 2009 10:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Owen has a great piece about austerity chic in the new RadPhil mag, incidentally:
http://www.radicalphilosophy.com/default.asp?channel_id=2187&editorial_id=28469

Stevie T, Monday, 7 September 2009 10:46 (fourteen years ago) link

all utopias are awful! that is why we can be reassured by the fact that they do not exist, it is in the name, q.e.d..
(also OH is pretty clear on the existence of Right modernism - i think there's a bit where he talks about Wyndham Lewis being superbly snotty about the italian futurists as technological arrivistes but i can't check it cos - oh! - no index!)

OH pulls out a quote from Ruskin to start with, a quote I did not know but absolutely love:

practical people have a way of saying 'that has been tried, and failed.' Why, of course it failed. Do you suppose everybody ever played off a piece of Right on the eternal piano without striking false notes at first? Failed! - yes, and it will fail fifty times over, depend on it, as long as your fingers are baby's fingers; your business is not to mind your fingers, but to look at the written notes...

For me, I think, this is the thing.

Yes yes austerity chic: I'm worried that being against "austerity chic", being against the way people in the 00s present Modernism graphic-designed into retro acceptability, translates into a sort of against-graphic-design snobbishness, which leads to ugliness, which leads to no-one reading who isn't already of the right sort of tendency. And this is a technique as offputting as the mangled sentences that dear old theory leads itself into, where after a while you suspect that the ruling aesthetic is "this has to be hard to read so you know it's worthwhile."

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 10:56 (fourteen years ago) link

found that hard to get a grip on. nostalgia for 'benevolent statism' is exactly what i associate his own ish with. am i wrong in that?

i don't know. those posters are creepy. but again, if you self-identify as a bolshevik you don't really get to talk about state brutality/the surveillance society/etc, do you? perhaps the double-standard calls for a little explanation, anyway.

(the tone of rad-phil is always a delight: 'the public execution of jean charles de menezes' is particularly choice.)

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 10:59 (fourteen years ago) link

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history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 10:59 (fourteen years ago) link

and didn't OH write something recently on the gorgeousness of the new Verso radical thinkers series (they are super gorgeous, if very very similar to penguin great ideas - maybe that's a good thing, they'll blend in, people won't realise they're reading althusser until it's too late, ahahaha)? I suspect I may be inadvertently repeating him by this point.

but i can be rude about zero books where a person published by them cannot - and anyway, realistically, are they any more ugly than routledge? (ans: yes)

xpooosts

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 11:02 (fourteen years ago) link

do they genuinely self-identify as bolsheviks? good heavens.

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

fairly sure i've seen OH identify as a bolshevik, yeah. and that is not such a good thing!

OH pulls out a quote from Ruskin to start with, a quote I did not know but absolutely love:

"practical people have a way of saying 'that has been tried, and failed.' Why, of course it failed. Do you suppose everybody ever played off a piece of Right on the eternal piano without striking false notes at first? Failed! - yes, and it will fail fifty times over, depend on it, as long as your fingers are baby's fingers; your business is not to mind your fingers, but to look at the written notes..."

For me, I think, this is the thing.

that's a pretty terrible quote, if we are talking about political utopias. for one thing it reads like social darwinism. i suppose if it's only *your* fingers that are getting bashed then OK.

where are the 'written notes'?

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I realised my distance from this whole discourse when I really enjoyed John Gray's Black Mass.

Tim F, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:16 (fourteen years ago) link

(but anyway ruskin's quote could just as easily justify neoliberal revanchism. so laissez-faire didn't work this time and we had a few 'false notes'. well rome wasn't built in a day...)

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lol. i would upset myself if i agreed with john gray.

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link

but probably do sometimes :(

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link

that terrible The Wire habit of capitalising things that don't need capitalising

I really want to start a petition against this or something.

thomp, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link

He might have claimed bolshevism in exaggeration though - I sometimes feel like I hold left-wing people to unreasonable standards in such a way that they are not allowed to be facetious about matters political?

arrrgh i have to leave the house but I genuinely don't get why you think that's social darwinism? i don't think it's being used about political utopias exactly, i think it's about ideas, and yes it's too romantic and dramatic but the idea that a single failure means that an idea is dead and useless is quite common, i think, and leads to a general crushing hopelessness.

Ruskin then goes on to talk about people learning to use alpine poles, i hope you will not also ask "but what is the mountain, in this analogy?"

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 11:26 (fourteen years ago) link

darwinism in that it has no ethical content; we go on according to who has the toughest thumbs...

if we're just talking about ideas then yeah fine, go nuts, do the phd, get published, get tenure, it doesn't matter, no-one's getting hurt, and verso's getting paid.

but althusser (for example!) isn't just talking about ideas. he was a high-ranking member of the french communist party when the PCF had a large share of the vote. for example. and yes that's after 1956 and after 1968. it's well after kronstadt.

so to my mind the, er, bruised thumbs of hungary and czechoslovakia (etc, etc) do slightly put the project in question because when your end becomes 'utopia' then the means start to become trivial.

(the exact same thing goes for the neoliberal experiment in chile before anyone jumps down my throat.)

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 11:38 (fourteen years ago) link

well i for one am glad that someone has had the courage to speak out against the sinister authoritarian 5-a-day campaign. fruit and vegetables! what's next, gas chambers?

joe, Monday, 7 September 2009 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Althusser heavily involved in the PCF's turn against Stalinism?

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

like, wasn't that his thing? an intellectual marxism that was focused on the means of production but rejected teleology, a practical marxism that focused on the worker and rejected the brutality of stalinism?

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link

no, quite the opposite.

BIG jock KNEW aka the steindriver (jim), Monday, 7 September 2009 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link

that was to your first post not the second one.

BIG jock KNEW aka the steindriver (jim), Monday, 7 September 2009 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

ehhh... 'turn against' is overdoing it, by a long way. i think it probably had to say that stalin had sounded various wrong notes, but the PCF was still a very, very reactionary and authoritarian entity. not for nothing did the likes of christopher hill leave the party after '56. it was still aligned with moscow.

part of the lol of althusser's mystifying continued acceptance by young cultural studies students is that the PCF was strongly against may 1968 and all that is taken to represent. i have no idea why he's still in print - not because of all this stuff, just on grounds that he's... useless.

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like, wasn't that his thing? an intellectual marxism that was focused on the means of production but rejected teleology, a practical marxism that focused on the worker and rejected the brutality of stalinism?

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i don't really know what "a practical marxism that focused on the worker" means.

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link

It doesn't mean althusser though. He's the opposite of that surely. An abstract marxism that focused on the structure?

Tim F, Monday, 7 September 2009 14:18 (fourteen years ago) link

idk im just trying to get paid you know?

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

lol i am getting schooled i thought he had more to do with eurocomminusm than he did. I did get the impression from 'for marx' that he was anti-stalin, but I haven't properly looked at it for ages.

elephants of style (c sharp major), Monday, 7 September 2009 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i think he was 'philosophically anti-stalinist' in some respects... but, you know, the same SU that invaded czechoslovakia had been 'de-stalinized' too. it's window-dressing. we all make mistakes, but i sort of feel he's been discredited enough times already – on the philosophical level - not to stay in print.

history mayne, Monday, 7 September 2009 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link

"we all make mistakes" - tell that to mrs althusser!

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 September 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.loopsjournal.com/article.php?id=1&aid=22

subtitled 'or, if this is the future, how come the music sounds so lame?'

because it ISN'T SET IN THE FUTURE YOU CUNT.

history mayne, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i <3 the meco version of that track, i ahve the 12" of a re-edit

BiG HoOs is the one claim!!! (deej), Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:14 (fourteen years ago) link

ye gods. maybe he turns it around but this is so fucking retarded. even the film weren't set in the future it wouldn't make any sense.

when will heads get over the idea that the synthesizer sounds like "the future"?

history mayne, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Probably misremembering, but wasn't that music like the Residents or something?

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i would enjoy reading history mayne and everyone else discuss althusser and the pcf on a thread with a more fortunate title!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Reynolds will look even more of a tit when trad space-jazz supersedes UK funky in the continuum.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey, Space isn't the future either!

Last person went to the moon in the seventies!

Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i actually mean that by the way, someone should start it

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:56 (fourteen years ago) link

"we all make mistakes" - tell that to mrs althusser!

LOL

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link

By the way, "radically democratic" always sounds like a pleasant oxymoron.

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link

the whole 'future/past' thing is irrelevant re Star Wars

the real question remains 'why is music by aliens ALWAYS so shit?'

unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:28 (fourteen years ago) link

wonder if grimey deals with the cylon origins of 'all along the watchtower'. again, not from the future.

history mayne, Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:31 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

OK, this time I'm angry. Reynold's metaphorically "beards" Joanna Newsome to try and say something (at least 5 years too late) about the beardo revival:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/nov/11/simon-reynolds-notes-noughties-beards

Persian Pickle (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 12 November 2009 11:34 (fourteen years ago) link

This is the Guardian. It's mainstream journalism written for a lay audience. It doesn't have to be bang up to date. In fact, it shouldn't be.

And at least he can spell Newsom.

anagram, Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i think it was for a serious that looks back at the decade

just sayin, Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link

serious? i meant series

just sayin, Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the fact that it's looking over the last decade renders it a moot point really, not that that makes it any less pointless and waffly

xxp

The Execution Of Garu G (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway yeah, is he trying to say that Newsom is like a bearded lady in that she is so crazy she could be a circus act (which is retarded), or that she's a woman playing men's music (which is really obviously not the case)? Or something else?

The Execution Of Garu G (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:43 (fourteen years ago) link

He was really looking in the wrong place if he wanted a bearded lady.

http://www.ondarock.it/images/cover/peaches_8045.jpg

Persian Pickle (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:43 (fourteen years ago) link

That DOES NOT COMPUTE in Simeybot's universe

I Poxy the Fule (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link

its just a bit of fluff

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link

xp she's freak folk. freak folks have beards. therefore she has a beard.

load of pointless tosh, really (especially as there's no excuse for mentioning m*tt v*lentine, in any context). but nice to see the lovely folks at beard mag get a bit of publicity.

m the g, Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

its just a bit of fluff

Looks like a full beard to me

I Poxy the Fule (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 November 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link


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