Lloyd Cole And The Commotions: Classic Or Dud

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Saracen's Head?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought it was "Saracen Head".

Sometimes I worry that Alba does not identify herself, enough.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I have just had a look at SR's web site, to see if he had rethought on Lloyd. I am disappointed - not by the lack of response, but by the reminder of what bad taste he has. One terrible paragraph on hip-hop makes me wonder whether this can be the same writer who wrote those good things, once.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

It might be. RJG will know.

(x-post)

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

THAT WAS NEVER ON THAT ALBUM ARGH! FIERCE PANCAKE IS BRILLIANT ALBUM ARGH! HOW MUCH IS THE FISH ETC WAS erm a single way before that etc etc and annoying because defining band for hewry masses ect blather.

Errr....yes it was. And I can say that with all certainty as A Fierce Pancake is the ONLY bit of Stump's catalog I've ever been able to find (and if's the only think I know, how would I know "Buffalo" if it weren't on it?) I have it on much-covetted compact disc too, so nyah!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Copying from LC's site, the Rattlesnakes bonus version is as follows:

Disc 1 will be the original 10 songs

All to be confirmed but this is disc 2 if all the tracks can be found -
Original (never released) single version of Are You Ready To Be Heartbroken?
Perfect Skin - Demo
The Sea and The Sand
You will Never be no Good
Andy's babies
Glory
Sweetness
Jesus Said
Beautiful City (rattlesnakes recording)

Live recordings / BBC Sessions -
Beautiful City - Marquee 5/11/84.
Charlotte Street - Marquee 5/11/84
Four Flights Up - Barrowlands
Forest Fire - Richard Skinner Show.
Glory - Night Moves 15/6/84
Patience - Saturday Live
Rattlesnakes with the strings - Richard Skinner
Sweetness - Barrowlands
2CV - Barrowlands
Speedboat - Richard Skinner

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

'Beautiful City'! I have never heard of it!

the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you, Chris.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 August 2004 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"Beautiful City" - it's a jangly, uptempo number, in the vein of "Perfect Skin". Bought a boot from Tunnel Records (now defunct?) back in '97 or so. It's a live recording, 04-12-84, Le Palace, Paris and includes "Beautiful City" and two versions of "Glory" (one's a reprise). Believe it's an audio copy off a UK videodisc of the same show, but I've never seen the video. Will trade or do b&p, if anyone's interested.

They've also re-released the second and third Commotions albums in Japan. No bonus tracks listed at Siren Disc (search "Cole"), so I don't know if Easy Pieces is the 10 track or 13 track version.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

What is 'do b&p'?

the bellefox, Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I was so excited that the Commotions were going on tour until the American leg got cancelled. I've dined with Lloyd at least five or six times - he's a nice guy. He took my girlfriend and I to see Television at the Great American. Have any of you heard his Leonard Cohen covers, 'Chelsea Hotel' and 'Dirty Blue Raincoat'?

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

b&p = sending blank cdr(s) & postage. Sometimes more painless than scanning the other's bootlegs lists and arranging a trade.

LC played both those Cohen covers at his recent Seattle solo show. His voice suits them.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's "saracen's".

apparently, it's no secret that LC will be drinking in the halt bar.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

There was a time when The Lloyd was very important to me.

But then he nicked our bassist, and I've never forgiven him. ;-)

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 13 August 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael White is trying to make us envy, us.

It's 'Famous', not 'Dirty'.

He spends too much of his time, live, playing Leonard Cohen songs.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
for pinefox tracklisting info for:
Lloyd Cole & The Commotions - The Singles [CD + DVD]
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002XME8Q

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Martian.

It is sweet, that you post such things when you don't like Lloyd Cole.

the bellefox, Friday, 24 September 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

the sun gives lloyd's 'rattlesnakes' a five star review today! its parting lines are, "let's all sing along now: 'she looks like eve marie saint/in on the waterfront'"

dave amos, Friday, 24 September 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Beat that, JtN.

the bellefox, Friday, 24 September 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Today I saw a CD called

LLOYD COLE.
THE COMMOTIONS.
THE SINGLES. (I think.)

Excitingly, it includes a DVD.

I will find a Try Glasgow More thread for this too, because it has already been mentioned here.

I might start being a huge Lloyd Cole fan for the duration of this little revival.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

This is either from Lloyd's website or from an e-mail (my gf sent it to me this am):

Lloyd Cole. The Commotions. The Singles. This is the best we could come up with for a title to replace the soon to be deleted 'The Collection'. The new release will actually live up to it's name. Singles only, hits and many misses. Are You Ready To Be Heartbroken? is schedules to go to radio as a single 20 years after it's original release.
There is a bonus DVD which will hopefully satisfy those who have been looking for the videos we made. All are included. The package contains absolutely no new material and some of the mixes have been shortened ever so slightly to fit all 21 songs on the audio disc. The artwork is really nothing to do with me, the project isn't either really, I saw no reason to stop them doing it and they are supposedly doing TV ads prior to the release and our reunion shows.

Release date in the UK is Sep 27.
Track Listing
Lloyd Cole & The Commotions:
Perfect Skin
Forest Fire
Rattlesnakes
Brand New Friend
Lost Weekend
Cut Me Down
My Bag
Jennifer She Said
From The Hip
Lloyd Cole:
No Blue Skies
Don’t Look Back
Downtown
She’s A Girl And I’m A Man
Weeping Wine
Butterfly
So You’d Like To Save The World
Morning Is Broken (single edit)
Like Lovers Do
Sentimental Fool
Baby
Lloyd Cole & The Commotions:
Are You Ready To Be Heartbroken?
Bonus DVD
Perfect Skin
Forest Fire
Rattlesnakes
Brand New Friend
Lost Weekend
Cut Me Down
My Bag
Jennifer She Said
From The Hip
No Blue Skies
Don’t Look Back
Downtown
She’s A Girl I’m A Man
Weeping Wine
Butterfly
So You’d Like To Save The World
Morning is Broken
Like Lovers Do
Baby
Sentimental Fool
Mainstream (bonus video)
Fool You Are (bonus video)

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish it had been nicelier packaged.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Check it out!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/homeentertainment/story/0,12830,1316522,00.html

Not that interesting, actually. Except the vibrato bit.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 2 October 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Other sources of possible interest:

Lloyd lived in 'The Pennines', if that's how you spell it. Could this be 'Glossop'? It certainly isn't 'Derbyshire', or is it? The plop thickens...

Lloyd wanted to be Isaac Hayes. (I think he's making this up.)

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 3 October 2004 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

PJ Miller, did you live in 'The Pennines'?

It is funny how you and he still have the same voice, up to a point.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

No, 'The Pennines' was the exclusive preserve of 'Go With Noakes' when I were a lad. Now I live near 'The Chilterns', which are nice, but considerably poofier.

Today I saw the DELUXE RATTLESNAKES. It looked nice, but even with 40% off (Virgin closing down sale) it was still pricey. Besides, I had my doubts. The I went to WHSmiths and read The Jerry Nipper's piece about it, which was all I could have hoped for and more, and it confirmed my doubts. He only gets on to the extra disc in the last paragraph. I think that says it all.

There is quite a lot of Jerry Nipper in that issue, but still nowhere near enough.

It is thundering and lightninging. I predict it will reach London in about 35 minutes.

I am listening to GENE PITNEY.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

So - apparently the Commotions did a rehearsal at the Bunker Bar in Glasgow... so there.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Cor!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I was there, somehow. I can report that it was....magnificent.

This will remain a high point in years to come. Oh, I TALKED TO LLOYD.

Cor.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Cor!

What did he say? What did you say? And what did he say? And what did you say? etc.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

He said "It was very loud on stage. My ears are ringing. I'm going to bed early because I'm old" and some other stuff. I said some stupid things, probably.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

aw, sweet.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Still Tuesday to look forward to!

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I know about.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 8 October 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

It's true: much JtN, and fine writing which sways to its own rhythms while sparking into nigh ceaseless verbal energy - but still not enough of it all, for our liking.

Should more be said, here, about the gig, in the bar?

I am quite excited, thinking about it.

the pinefox, Saturday, 9 October 2004 08:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I am not going to the Barrowlands because I am poor. I am, however, attending THE OTHER EVENT (in the pub, sshhhh, we don't want everyone turning up, even though it's been mentioned on ILE).

Are you trying Glasgow then, pinefox? Or are you just excited on Glasgow's behalf?

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 9 October 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I am excited on Glasgow's behalf.

I don't know about another event.

I want Cookie to spill all, somewhere. Maybe I should ring him, and get him to do it on the telephone! If he has a telephone.

the bellefox, Saturday, 9 October 2004 08:46 (nineteen years ago) link

He has two! Of the mobile and non-mobile variety.

This thread (http://ilx.p3r.net/thread.php?msgid=5071804) mentions Lloyd being in a pub. I've decided in my head that we may convince him to do an impromptu set, but this is what may be termed "wishful thinking".

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 9 October 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I, for one, thought A FIERCE PANCAKE by Stump was fucking brilliant. "HOW MUCH IS THE FISH? HOW MUCH IS THE CHIPS? DOES THE FISH HAVE CHIPS?"
In any case, Lloyd Cole? Well, "My Bag" was a decent enough tune. Can't really comment beyond that.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...) (webmail), March 30th, 2001. (link)

Except, Buffalo wasn't on "a fierce pancake", well not the original version. Jeez, if they had to add the track to the album, why bullet 'eager bereavers' which is also brilliant? (Chrysalis records, that is, not the band...) Apart from that, yes.

(Slowest follow on/reply to post ever? 3.5 years?)

mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 9 October 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I am convinced that there is no other 'event' in the Lloyd calendar.

I only have one phone, currently. The house phone does not work. I wish I knew why.

More on the gig: The Commotions looked GOOD, one or two not even much older, one or two older in perfect trajectory.

Some Lloyd Banter:
"I'm trying not to talk as much between songs, because I've realised that I sound like Brian Clough".

(after a raucous, fizzing Sean Penn Blues) "If there was any doubt as to whether I was too old for this...........not any more".

My friend Carey said she liked the ambiguity, there. There isn't really any, though, I suppose. We know Lloyd well enough to know what he means.

Some kind of vaguely remembered setlist:

Rattlesnakes
Why I Love Country Music
From The Hip
Charlotte Street
Cut Me Down
Lost Weekend
Speedboat
Sweetness
Brand New Friend
Mr. Malcontent
Mainstream
Perfect Blue
2CV
Are You Ready To Be Heartbroken?
My Bag
Sean Penn Blues
Perfect Skin
Jennifer She Said
Forest Fire

The order is wrong, but those are the songs, as far as I remember them.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 9 October 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

How did you know about this? And why did you not tell me?

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 9 October 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Huh, the answer is a bit wanky. It wasn't open to the general public, it was a private party for friends and family. I am neither, and only found out about the gig a couple of hours before it happened, but was very lucky to be able to grab one of a limited number of guest list places with people I knew, and then couldn't really invite anyone else. Which sucks, really.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

That's OK, my days of skanky freeloading are probably well behind me anyway. I am glad you enjoyed it.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I did. Thank you. I did.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I am glad why people like music as much as they did.

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 9 October 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Me too.

The set and the banter sound magnificent.

Could the trouble with the phone be the blood?

the bluefox, Monday, 11 October 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Something to do with electricity. More Lloyd tomorrow!

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 11 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

To-morrow?

To-day?

the bluefox, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I was wrong and unnecessarily offensive upthread. Lloyd is great, (well with the Commotions anyway).

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the 'deluxe' edition of Rattlesnakes, and thought wtf?

But then I read the contents and warmed slightly. And did not buy it.

I kinda went off him when we went to see them at wembley arena, and it was all so 'another day another gig' dull for him, seemingly.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link


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