defend the indefensible: Hall and Oates

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Moderately talented! You're fired.

Never owned that album but "Dreamtime" was as close as Dave Stewart got (along with "Don't Come Around Here No More" for Tom Petty) for trying to make pop/psych that got on the radio via production. But Prince was doing far better on that front overall.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 February 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember lots of swirly pseudo-psyechelic strings and backwards shit on the outro. It sounded very expensive - and, yes, very reminiscent of "Don't Come Around Here No More"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 February 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i love hall and oates and play the greateest hits all the time but :
they have had only 5 singles from 15 albums

La Camilla Henemark, Monday, 14 February 2005 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's a laugh/it's so stupid/THAT I GOTTA LAUGH!"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 February 2005 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

their version of "i'll be around" is pretty nice!

stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

M-E-T-H-O-D-O-F-L-O-V-E
-- Dan Perry (djperr...), January 2nd, 2004.
reminds me of debbie harry singing"anytime ,anywhere "in "call me ".

"out of touch" is brilliant ."everytime you go away" is clasic,"everything your heart desires" was the comeback song .

La Camilla Henemark, Monday, 14 February 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I prefer Paul Young singing "Everything Your Heart Desires"; he's got the heart that Hall lacks.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 February 2005 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Listening to the greatest hits for the first time in a while and am surprised by how wonderfully *weird* the beatbox drumbeat for "I Can't Go For That" is. Astoundingly funky as well, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 05:12 (nineteen years ago) link

does " maneater" bassline sound like "supremes/phil collins"you can't hurry love ?"

La Camilla Henemark, Monday, 21 February 2005 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

it totally sounds like "You Can't Hurry Love," which is a good portion of its genius. (see also the Jam's "A Town Called Malice.")

Abandoned Luncheonette is one of the most underrated albums ever made. well, actually, the second half does fall apart some (trying waaaay too hard to be "deep" and shit, though "Laughing Boy" does have a nice tune and "Lady Rain" pulls it off), but side one is DYNAMITE. "When the Morning Comes" = some of the coolest, most understated Moog action evah + beyond-perfect "whoo" harmonies + wonderful folk acoustic strum + marvelous bridge, esp. Daryl's high notes. "Had I Know You Better Then" = gorgeous mumbly Oates vocal + that piercing little guitar punctuating the chorus + sudden drama in final chorus-buildup/breakdown, John cool and understated against Hall's urgency and then dissolving back into the rippling harmonies. "Las Vegas Turnaround" = the greatest Belle & Sebastian song ever written (I stole this comparison, though not the rating, from Douglas Wolk), the ricky-tick drums and jazzy guitars/electric keybs are like a more humane early Steely Dan. "She's Gone" = a monument, one of the records I beat myself up about for not including on my top-100-singles-of-the-'70s list, the first 45 seconds are the greatest thing I've ever heard to listen to while stoned out of your gourd, totally widescreen cinematic verse-to-chorus transitions, the breakdown w/the bass solo and guitar stuff and horns and the sudden stop is one of the most honestly dramatic pieces of music I know. I played it obsessively all of 2004 and want to do so again right now. "I'm Just a Kid (Don't Make Me Feel Like a Man)" = tentative and folky and oversensitive but fuck it, after those first four they've earned it. everything else they did was, is, gravy.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 21 February 2005 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only ever heard the singles for that album and it sounds like I've missed out...

the sudden stop is one of the most honestly dramatic pieces of music I know

Easily.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, Matos. We should get stoned and listen to "Big Bam Boom" together.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
I got the remastered H20 a few months ago; it has not left my CD changer. Even Oates' "Italian Girls" is marvelous.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man, that song. I fear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, did H&O really have a DTI thread on this board that recently?? Scary.

Recently, I'm thinking "Your Imagination" = best H&O song. Except it's really still "I Can't Go for That (No Can Do)"

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

This is a really timely revive. Just the other day at the railway station, I saw a group of actual, real-life YOUNG people toting a big stereo, PUMPING "I Can't Go For That" and like, totally grooving along to it. It was amazing. About a dozen of them!

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Recently, I'm thinking "Your Imagination" = best H&O song.

Amen. You've discovered the Holy Grail, my son. I can write pages about that song. Luvluvluv the organ.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to get Private Eyes. Between "Your Imagination," ICGFT and the title track, could the album possibly be less than a 9.0?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd give it an 8.0; there's a couple of meh album tracks. I prefer H20, although with the exceptions of "Open All Night" and "Family Man" (the latter of which they didn't write) it's got no single song as awesome as "Your Imagination" or "I Can Go For That."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
"It's a laugh/it's so stupid/THAT I GOTTA LAUGH!"

This actually might be one of their most underrated songs. "I Don't Wanna Lose You" as well (he says, while listening to same).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 June 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought this was gonna be Nath reviving the thread after I mocked her on last fm.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 11 June 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I did a fab rendition of "You Make My Dreams" at karaoke a few mths ago.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 11 June 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, maybe it's "Did It In a Minute."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 June 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"Did It In a Minute" sounds like the theme song to an early '80s sitcom, no? ("Too Close to Comfort," "Joani Loves Chachi")

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 11 June 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

And Mike Daddino is on-target re: "Say It Isn't So."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 11 June 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"Did It In a Minute" sounds like the theme song to an early '80s sitcom, no?

But so superior.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

But it's all about "Your Imagination."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I had to sit through the entirely of "Everytime you go away" on a school trip coach, when someone decided it was a good idea to put "Trains Planes and Automobiles" on the TV. I have heard this excruciating song done by several people over the years, and a mousy female's horrific intepretation just about pushed me over the edge. Avoid!!!!!!!!!!!!

And don't get me started on "We are the World"

JTS (JTS), Monday, 12 June 2006 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

CALIFORNIA VAGINA SAILORS, even if it was said by the fake john oates in yacht rock.

also, they are from philly. i live in philly. therefore, they're awesome.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 12 June 2006 02:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred OTM re "Your Imagination." And check for the video.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 12 June 2006 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Did anyone see the Seattle show on Friday?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 12 June 2006 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

damn, mandee to thread!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:21 (seventeen years ago) link

and uh hall & oates are classic, of course.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link

JTS, neither of those songs have much to do with hall and oates....

been listening to Sacred Songs again lately in lite of the Exposure reissue, the stretch from babs and babs-urban landscape-nycny-the father away I am is pretty awesome.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 12 June 2006 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

War Babies is quite great - something like Philly soul boys channelling Bowie in concept. I see Hall and Oates as Todd Rundgren's less cosmic brothers, and I mean that in a good way.

LC (Damian), Monday, 12 June 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm mostly a free/avant jazz guy. but my idea of perfect pop songs always includes H&O's "Sara Smile", "She's Gone", and "Everytime You Go Away."

I also have a known weakness for ELO.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

chalk me up as stupid, I didn't realize until now that hall and oates had recorded "everytime you go away"; the paul young version was a much bigger hit, right?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, v. much so.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure how I missed this thread until now - I mean, I'm the biggest H&O fan 'round these parts. They're the first group I ever truly loved, and I will do so always. They are FUCKING BRILLIANT, and have made some of the greatest pop (and soul!) songs evah. Matos OTM re: Abandoned Luncheonette, though he failed to note the titled track, which is gorgeous. And yes, "Your Imagination" is their greatest single song. Don't sleep on Daryl's Three Hearts in the Happy Ending Machine, either - it badly needs a remaster, but is better than you remember.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm totally fine with Three Hearts, the combination of Hall and Jeff Lynne worked better than most.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally got Three Hearts... on vinyl about a year ago. Beneath the superstar pomp and bombastic arrangements lies one of Hall's very best ballads: "Foolish Pride." The single "Dreamtime" is very good. The rest I'll let Thomas or someone else defend.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

You mean David Stewart, Ned. An understandable error: both men had weaknesses for perms, paisley vests, cowboy boots, and Fisher Price psychedelia.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't get these guys at all but maybe I haven't heard enough *deep album cuts* or sump'm!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

You mean David Stewart, Ned. An understandable error: both men had weaknesses for perms, paisley vests, cowboy boots, and Fisher Price psychedelia.

Hahah, all too true. :-) "Dreamtime" is mighty great. I haven't heard the album in years upon years -- had it on vinyl and somewhere in the late eighties I let it go...

I don't get these guys at all

#@!@#!$!@#!@#$!@$!@#$!#

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Kindly disregard my lukewarm comments of two years ago upthread - this is the thread that motivated me out of curiosity to go and buy that fine, fine Ultimate Hall & Oates double CD, and rediscover all those lost gems that I forgot, forgot I liked, or didn't know were by H&O in the first place; and all was right with the world. Thanks, ILM!

Myonga Von Backpedaling (M. Agony Von Bontee), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Any casual listener curious for more is greatly encouraged to pick up Ultimate Hall & Oates - it's a really good distillation of their career down to 37 tracks. (I prefer my own 101-song CDR Go! on them, but then again, I'm a freak. For most humans, Ultimate will do the job nicely.)

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yes indeed. (Says the guy who just bought a copy for his dad for Father's Day.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

How does Ultimate compare to the Best of ?
I guess Best of is just a singles collection?

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Ultimate includes all the minor chart hits.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link


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