in the final monologue, was i tripping, or did gary oldman actually call batman a "cyber defender"?
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
silent. Silent defender.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
ha ha ha
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
i had just watched the obama speech about america's cyber defenses, must have been why i was tripping
*spoiler*
Did anybody think the gay sex scene with Oldman and Eckhart was unnecessary?
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost To be fair, Batman is pretty cyber.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
at the theatre i was at people kept screaming out "I LOVE YOU" in camp voices during the 3-way dent-bale-eckhart conversations
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link
it was obnoxious but funny
oldman-bale-eckhart, ya mean?
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I was pleasantly surprised at how well-behaved our crowd was. Normally they're bringing crying babies and actually taking pictures of themselves in the theatre (seriously, wtf?)
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
-- kenan
see, that's what GOOD ACTING does
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
i was disappointed that Shaquille O'Neal didn't have a cameo
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
the ayn rand comment upthread is wrong. the first act has pacing issues to be sure, but once we get to the part of the story nolan really wanted to tell, it's amazing. beautifully made.
― Gukbe, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
except i keep calling him "dent" instead of "gordon", possibly because with that big mustache he looks a lot like a "harvey"
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
more like first and third act
yeah too bad about shaquille but at least you got tiny lister / zeus, right?
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
has anybody revisted the Burton/Shumacher Batman movies?
They didn't hold up for me as well as I thought. I still liked Burton's Batman but hated Batman Returns on repeat viewing.
Won't even touch the Shumacher's, which were crap
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
deeply underrated
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I will still stand up for the third Batman movie as being great campy fun, with codpieces.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost, moonship otm
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I might have to see that again now, actually, to wash all this coal-dust-colored moral gravity off me.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Madness is like gravity, indeed.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
what's funny about the scene is that the thing on top of the helmet that looks an awful lot like a blender is actually the top of a commercial coffee grinder ... "caffeine'll kill ya!"
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
i forget exactly what the movie landscape was like when that came out but IIRC we were all suffering through a glut of surreal weirdly-lit fantasy-landscape movies like "city of lost children" and "nightmare before christmas" and whatnot and that whole OTT style (is there a name for it?) was starting to get pretty tired.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
At least the Batman credit card ("never leave the cave without it") was saved for the next movie.
― latebloomer, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Lines uttered by Arnold Scwarzenegger (as Mr Freeze) in "Batman & Robin"
― latebloomer, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
we were all suffering through a glut of surreal weirdly-lit fantasy-landscape movies
I feel like right now we're suffering through the Age Of The Thinly Veiled Meatphor. Usually for the war on terror, or Iraq, or what have you. You know what we really need? Better porn.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
here's another thing we're suffering through: movies where people casually shoot each other without warning ... at points "the dark knight" started to feel a lot like "the departed" or "children of men" or "no country for old men" (specifically with the way GRITTY GUN VIOLENCE was deployed) and i don't have a whole lot of patience for that. a lot of times during the dark knight i was like "oh for god's sake, will the director please stop having hapless beat cops get shot for no reason". i actually sympathize with armond white on that point.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
The Kiss from a Rose video is much better than movie itsel. Forever is a dud.
xxxpost
― Gukbe, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link
I very much forgive it in No Country, because that kind of thing is a Coen Bros trademark, if not partial invention.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Gary Oldman? I thought that was short-story writer Stuart Dybek.
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/images/2007/09/dybek1_infusino.jpg
― Eazy, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
just saw this in IMAX. it was pretty good.
― amateurist, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
it only happened a few times in NCfOM, though, compared to all the freaking time in tDK. and anyway that wasn't a PG-13 "superhero movie".
NCfOM actually pretty great at keeping the violence off-screen!
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
almost all the gore (if not violence) was kept offscreen in THE DARK KNIGHT, i noticed. still felt very brutal, especially when... i guess i shouldn't spoil it.
― amateurist, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I've gone off before about the sequence in No Country when Tommy Lee Jones drives up just in time to see the aftermath of what must have gotten pretty ugly. One of my favorite sequences.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost
i think that is the difference between R and PG-13.
it was always: dude looks up at camera, reverse-angle shot with someone drawing the gun, sudden cut to black accompanied by a super loud BANG
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link
well, not always, but you get the point.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't believe this only got a 12A in the UK.
― Gukbe, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
The one half of Two Face's face looked pretty R to me. Sickening. Good job, I guess I mean.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Little details, like the blood on his pillow... ugh.
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah but it kind of killed "suspension of disbelief" a bit. could anybody really walk around like that?
think of how much brainpower went into director-producer discussions on how to make this as violent and visceral as possible without pulling an R rating.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I have kind of a big question about the ending of TDK and wanted to gauge satisfaction or dissatisfaction. Maybe after the weekend when more folks have seen it.
I want to see Aaron E. do Glengarry in that makeup.
― Eazy, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
could anybody really walk around like that?
OR SPEAK!
― kenan, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link
put me down as extremely impressed by the middle third but dissatisfied with the ending. i give it 7/10.
i've been thinking a lot about "hannibal" lately, partly because of anthony hopkins vs heath ledger comparisons i've been hearing. i thought maybe it would've been better if they did two-face sort of like gary oldman in "hannibal". but maybe that's too far off from the comic book.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link
oldman in hannibal = i don't think i've really seen anything as disgusting in the movies since. well, maybe the few post-irreversible head-smashing scenes. there was one in "pan's labyrinth", where was the other?
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 July 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
the sequences shot on 70mm were pretty spectacular when projected in that format. people gasped.
― amateurist, Friday, 18 July 2008 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I will not sit idly by while people defend Batman Forever.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link
this movie was so long. aaron eckhart stuff completely unnecessary. i agree that the cops vs joker thread was way more compelling than anything bats did. gotham central would make a terrific movie.
― adam, Friday, 18 July 2008 23:49 (fifteen years ago) link
aaron eckhart really sucks.
― adam, Friday, 18 July 2008 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
he was better than you were in the movie
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
you did portray the rottweiler right?
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 18 July 2008 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link