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bah, can rotate on an intel mac mini but not on a mac book pro

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think my solution is good (for those who are warped enough to need a smart playlist that complex).

Anyway, my solution give you the FULL POWER of boolean expressions instead of being limited to all ORs or all ANDs!

Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

it would be fun to have the album covers, i was pretty psyched. at this point i have no idea what most of my album's covers look like. i hope they make it work (or maybe someone could step in w/a allmusic script or something).

xpost

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

ok smartyhungrypants - can you bulid me a smart playlist that will contain the songs i've listened to most over, say, the last ix months?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

(s)ix

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

1. "Last played" "is in the last" "6" "months"
2. Limit to 100 hours, selected by "Most often played"

stet (stet), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

itunes is like a mother in law.

-- (688), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Or limit to "30" "gb" or whatever size yr ipod is

stet (stet), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

no come on - that will give me songs that i've played in the last six months that i've played the most forever.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't really think it''s possible but jon's talk of cascading playlists and boolean made me think maybe there was something i wasn't thinking of.

i just want sweet stats bros.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

gapless playback is making love life again!

Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

itunes doesn't keep a record of play dates, just play counts, so excluding counts from before the six months isn't possible, no. you could perhaps tie something in with last.fm or a similar recorder, but it'd be hassle

stet (stet), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah :(

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess me and James Murphy are the only happy ones, but I love this new iTunes. It runs faster for me and I like the new GUI.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't wait for the next version of Photoshop where you drag all your images into it and it creates a giant flat list of files, in Photoshop, that you can browse, and then you can create groups of images if you want, in Photoshop - oh wait i can do all that already, without having to start any program at all

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

oh right, cos in Finder i can sort by genre and play count and unplayed and all sorts of music-related metadata.

stet (stet), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't understand "gapless playback" on itunes, couldn't it always do this via crossfade?

for whatever reason, running it completely choked my computer overnight.

yes I am buying a mac when I have money to do so.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't want to have "genre" decided for me

neither do i want the busy-work of deciding what "genre" each song i own is

play count - not sure why this is important? i'm being honest here - if you use this, how come?

other metadata - ?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

kyle - gapless playback is v v important for DJ mixes and albums w/seamless transitions between tracks (b-side of abbey road, dark side of moon.. uh)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

CHECK YOUR MAIL SESSIONS

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

albums w/seamless transitions between tracks (b-side of abbey road, dark side of moon.. uh

Almost all of Zappa's catalogue...

Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

U R USING WRONG EMAIL

xpost: yeah yeah i know! somehow those two have become the canonical examples in every article ever - it has infectulated my brane

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

neither do i want the busy-work of deciding what "genre" each song i own is
I use it to make life easier - I only have "full album", "single" and "spoken word" genres, so that when scrolling on the mac or ipod I can choose to only see a list of artists with full albums there and not have to plough through all the dross that I only have one track for.

play count - not sure why this is important? i'm being honest here - if you use this, how come?
So that I can have a playlist of songs that I haven't listened to yet/have only listened to a couple of times.

other metadata - ?
Year: So I can see songs made in 1994 for best-of lists etc.
Album art.
Is Compilation: so that songs by different artists can be grouped. Composer: Good for classical music, where composer and artist are v. different. etc etc etc.

Your original photoshop thing also falls down, because Aperture is bascially what you're talking about, and as an image workflow it stamps all over using the finder for organisation and versioning of images.

stet (stet), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

going back to rss: is there a firefox plugin that will let me click on an rss feed and have it opened by my external reader, rather than stolen by firefox itself?

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

in other news, i'm abut 90% through the process of backing up my ipod, converting it from pc to mac, then reimporting all the mp3s. gapless playback here i come...

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Aperture is bascially what you're talking about, and as an image workflow it stamps all over using the finder for organisation and versioning of images

so does Flickr

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

NEW SHUFFLE=IPOD NIPPLE CLAMP DO U C?!

Jimmy Mod's Champion Erotic Fantasy Team 2006 (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

going back to rss: is there a firefox plugin that will let me click on an rss feed and have it opened by my external reader, rather than stolen by firefox itself?

Have you tried the Feed Your Reader extension?

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I use LiveLines for that.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 14 September 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks - i couldn't get either of those to wrok with Vienna, though. am i bein stupid? in particular, i didn't even see an option to choose a target program with livelines.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 14 September 2006 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF i ran the "get album art" "feature" and it removed ALL OF THE EXISTING ALBUM ART ON MY MAC! for instance my album-art screensaver now tells me "you have no iTunes songs with album art"!!!!

the album-art feature is a heap of fucking shit. coverflow was a standalone app that worked pretty well ... you'd think iTunes might look to see if there was a copy of coverflow here too, and whether it had any artwork it might want to copy over? but no: i'm back to manually adding stuff. stupid fucking bastards.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

also: the behaviour of the coverflow function on my old iMac is just bizarre. doesn't display album covers; instead shows thousands of copies of, er, the current iTunes window. updating as you move/click/etc. they really have made a total arse of it.

that said, the rest of iTunes 7 seems pretty cool. although i'm not 100% convinced it isn't taking a lot longer now to import CDs.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll stick with the albumart widget from liquidx.net. re: the browser window, yeah i was just tripping.

the whole interface is still hideous tho.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

as long as we're complaining how come you can't resume transfers after a disconnect on ichat wtf

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Meantime, my new toy has been ordered...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

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s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

tut. get with the programme, grandad:

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grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

So that I can have a playlist of songs that I haven't listened to yet/have only listened to a couple of times.

but don't you know that already? i'm just confused about that. if there's a song or an album i haven't listened to, i mean, i know that i haven't listened to it. i don't need my computer to tell me that!

the other metadata you mention is not exclusive to itunes. any mp3 player can access it. and you can make smart folders that can access that stuff, too (genre, etc). no need for itunes. the problem for me with mp3 metadata is that the tags are rarely done properly, so there's this enormous - and never-ending - busywork of fixing them all, or adding them when they're missing - and you need to really do it, or else the entire system doesn't work (if, say eight songs out of your library of 10,000 songs don't have the year tag, then you're going to overlook those when compiling your "best of 2002" compilation). i have got enough things keeping me awake nights without wondering if my id3 tags are on straight.

i have to say i do like the idea of tagging things "single song", "full album" and "spoken". (if i could be asked)

if the aperture thingie is that good, do you think the concept could be applied to music? i keep bigging up the finder because i dislike itunes so much, but it course does blow, too. it would definitely be interesting to see something that DOES work well. (coverflow is beautiful but useless for my music, which is almost all singles).

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 15 September 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

but don't you know that already? i'm just confused about that. if there's a song or an album i haven't listened to, i mean, i know that i haven't listened to it. i don't need my computer to tell me that!

I frequently find I'll rip a CD and then totally forget about it, only to rediscover it weeks later. If I bothered to use iTunes' smart playlists I'm sure it would be quite handy in reminding me what I haven't listened to yet. (I only really use iTunes to copy music to my iPod)

the problem for me with mp3 metadata is that the tags are rarely done properly

You don't tag your own mp3s properly? Oh, you mean you download them from p2p networks and they're not tagged how you like? Why don't you just use iTunes' nifty metadata editor to retag each album as you import it into the database? It takes about 30 seconds.

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Shh, Andrew, you're giving it away! Now everyone will do something so utterly simple and easy!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 September 2006 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a bit harder if you already have 10000s of mp3s and have only just realised it's the way forward, though.

itunes 7 pissed me off this morning by seeming to have forgotten that i'm managing the ipod myself, necessitating another reset and 2 hours refilling it. fingers crossed it works this time. still, all worth it for gapless playback,which is making me go back to loads of mixes i haven't heard in ages.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 15 September 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

if you turn off coverflow itunes works like a dream and uses less memory than it did before

wot a surprise eh

The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 15 September 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i have the same problem with my cd player

-- (688), Friday, 15 September 2006 12:04 (seventeen years ago) link

and dont even get me started on my record player, i have no idea how many times ive played my dion & the belmonts 7":(

-- (688), Friday, 15 September 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

but don't you know that already? i'm just confused about that. if there's a song or an album i haven't listened to, i mean, i know that i haven't listened to it. i don't need my computer to tell me that!

Andrew OTM here: I often rip six or seven CDs at once, and can then forget to listen to a track here or there.

the other metadata you mention is not exclusive to itunes. any mp3 player can access it. and you can make smart folders that can access that stuff, too (genre, etc). no need for itunes.
Well, aye, but I didn't think you were talking about other MP3 players -- you were suggesting using the Finder to do it, which can't access any of this.

compilation). i have got enough things keeping me awake nights without wondering if my id3 tags are on straight.

i have to say i do like the idea of tagging things "single song", "full album" and "spoken". (if i could be asked)

I decided to do it a long time ago -- so I spent a night or two making sure my (much smaller then) library was properly tagged. Now I only have to sort out new additions, and they're easy to spot because the wrong genres stand out.

if the aperture thingie is that good, do you think the concept could be applied to music?
I don't think it would work especially well for music -- it's about keeping 20 images shot a second apart in one stack, and adding new versions you make of images in the same stack. It's great for editing and processing, but for a ream of separate things like songs it wouldn't be useful.

stet (stet), Friday, 15 September 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

if you turn off coverflow itunes works like a dream and uses less memory than it did before

is there a proper "turn off" command? or do you mean just avoiding that view? (which is what i'm doing on the other mac.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

well i figured out why the gapless playback scanning was taking so long (it was scanning and doing this EVERY TIME I opened Itunes); I have some corrupted directories in my library with tracks still in the lib/xml, so itunes was hanging up searching for them. I removed them and seems to work better now. I'd better back everything up before my drive fucks up.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I just figured out what they should do with Itunes next - store user libraries. When you buy a song, it gets added to your online library. Users can upload their own collections. Give an internet address for the file for access from cell phones and PDAs.

def zep (calstars), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF is an "album artist"?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 17 September 2006 01:31 (seventeen years ago) link

someone who makes art out of old cds and lps.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 September 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link


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