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s there another router with the same SSID in your block?

how would i find this out? i'm pretty sure it must be something like that, as it seems like i'm fine except when i put the computer in one corner of the lounge (which is unfortunqtely where i usuqlly work!).

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

When you set up your router did you change the name of the network (the SSID) to something unique?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
20" core duo iMac purchased a month ago now incapable of staying up long enough to ask me what language I prefer the system reinstaller dvd to talk to me in

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ouch

I'm relived that my battery isn't one of the recalled ones

Ed (dali), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

did not feel that another lemon hardware issue was worth reviving the thread but I'm on hold for applecare and they just made me listen to "Ready Steady Go." I don't know what the hell the rest of this shit is but I think there was some barenaked ladies at the beginning of this ordeal and really honestly this is bar none the absolute worst hold music I've ever, ever had to deal with in my entire life of having my time wasted by waiting on understaffed CCs.


BTW the only reason I am ON HOLD is because the brilliant "Concierge" system completely fills up within hours of store opening at both Pentagon City and Clarendon. I have a hint for you fuckers, don't sell broken-ass CPUs if you can't hire enough techs to fix them. FFS.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I fully intend to be incredibly rude to any Genius Bar staff I'm forced to talk to that don't just take the box away and give me a new one with store credit for the price difference between wired and bluetooth peripherals.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

10.4.7. is a stinker.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

every upgrade with an odd third digit has been a complete horror, AFACT.

I'm not looking forward to hearing about this "restocking fee"

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

they are totally getting you back for slagging on them; BLACKLISTED

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

are they also totally getting me back for giving them thousands and thousands of dollars over the years? was waiting for you to show up and tell me something like how if I don't like listening to oakenfold over the phone I should just stay away from nextstep-based OSes

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Serious question: do all your hardware problems happen with fairly recently purchased stuff? Bathtub curve?

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

CAPTAIN SAVE AN-OS

S-L-U-G (plsmith), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck the restocking fee bullshit. If they try to pull that on you, go home and e-mail the address I posted above. Someone from Executive Relations will get back to you in the next day and the Genius Bar/retail people can stick it.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I've basically figured out that every single problem I have personally witnessed with OSX has involved:

1) yes, that vital odd-third-digit as mentioned above
2) ITUNES

The computer was wanky to begin with (a brand new out-of-the-box no programs added computer shouldn't be refusing to wake up from sleep?) but as soon as we opened ITUNES for the first time IT STARTED EATING ITSELF ALIVE WTF? I just laugh at it at this point, especially when it wouldn't even accept the system disks or open in safe mode anymore :D

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, guys I totally agree with you about iPhoto being a slow turd now!

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit, I still have the version that tells me I should upgrade to the newest iLife. It's faster than that one, right?

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah flickr + ringo punch iPhoto in its big stupid nuts

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I should have just taken the box in for a replacement as soon as Terminal proved unable to launch

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

was waiting for you to show up and tell me something like how if I don't like listening to oakenfold over the phone I should just stay away from nextstep-based OSes

also: ho sanp!!!!

serious answer: Yes, I have definitely noticed an amazing increase in hardware failure with recent-er Apple products (by recent-er I mean last 3-4 years seeing rapid upswing in lemons and really manky systems incompatibility--we have a friend who went thru 3 of the latest iMacs before getting one that actually worked*)

xposts haha I told you about iPhoto!!

*ps if our replacement one breaks, Tom, you are NOT AUTHORIZED to get another one and instead we will harrass them for refunds and get something else because that is just not worth my tax dollars.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, hahaha that was pretty funny when it refused to open Terminal anymore, the look on your face was pretty priceless :D

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

pix plz

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd never buy another Apple product if not for OS X. I hate the branding, I hate Steve Jobs, I hate the customer service, I hate the Apple tax, I hate the idea that PLAIN GLOSSY WHITE is some kind of design masterstroke, I hate the fact that I've yet to get a computer from them that didn't fuck up in some way - the company as a whole and its consumer strategy gives me the creeps.

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.


Also, Aperture 1.1 is a giant, overpriced piece of shit. A complete waste of $149 for me - Lightroom is a little slower, but it's currently free and actually gets my white balance right every time.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.

This is pretty much the most OTM thing on this, my favorite thread ever.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm convinced the problem is the laptop design/production? I've had Mac desktops forever and never had any physical problems. I had a beige G3 running for years past it's use, and I have one of the first single processor G5s and it's fine. Then I come here and hear nothing about complaints about portables.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The laptops are the worst - let's not worry about heat and usability, so long as we can advertise that we're ONE INCH THICK, because all those two-inch thick laptops are so difficult to use.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

But I also had a Quicksilver G4 with a bad hard-drive (not really Apple's fault, but they tried to charge me $50 to talk to someone on the phone getting it replaced, asshats), my G5 tower had problems with sleeping and randomly turning itself off, and there were a lot of problems with the first iMac G5s.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the computer in question that refuses to even accept sys disks at this point is an iMac, not a laptop. My sometimes-refuses-to-wake-up also-it-ate-my-iPod laptop is preferable in performance.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/dell%20banger2.jpg
^ DELL

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

haha the butler

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the dual-core Dell laptop my job gave me.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I should have just taken the box in for a replacement as soon as Terminal proved unable to launch
-- TOMBOT (tombo...), Today.

how can terminal fail when the os is on? that's bizarre

and tell me what is wrong with 10.4.7 because i just upgraded

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

aye, i've had no trouble with 10.4.7 ... yet ... my bouncy dashboard ball needed an upgrade, but it's been plain sailing since then. 12 days' uptime, and i think that's since i upgraded.

[touches wood] ... i've been very lucky with my apple hardware, i guess. i've had, what ... one powerbook 5300, one iMac DVSE, this here 12" G4 PowerBook, a first-gen iPod, a second-gen iPod and an iPod shuffle. the only one that isn't still working is the first iPod, and that's my fault for dropping it. yes: even the 5300 still works, 10 years since i bought it. and it's had a fucking ceiling collapse on it.

i'm tempting fate here, i know. perhaps i'm just stealing everyone else's apple karma. i dunno.

what i will say is that my PB5300 was one of the last they ever made (srsly: the fucker got phased out about a week after i took delivery). i've never been an early adopter [1] and p'raps that's the key.

or perhaps i'm just a jammy get.

[1] except with the iPod. and the shuffle. the latter, i have to admit, can display slightly shonkular behaviour at times, especially for something so bloody simple.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

there can't - can there? - be a difference in build quality between european and US machines? i mean, surely the chips are exactly the same? my PB5300, i think, was made in ireland and i was assured that "the irish ones don't blow up". anyway, hmm. just a thought.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i was assured that "the irish ones don't blow up"

Are you sure this wasn't a tired gag playing on Ireland's troubled history?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

aye, i've had no trouble with 10.4.7 ... yet

Zero trouble here too...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

No trouble with any of the 10.4s on Intel or the hardwrae, a US bought MBP, first of the non BTO 2.16Ghz machines. Apart from Powerbook G3 power supplies, I've never had a lemon. I know they're out there my brother's PBG4 display went phut and gareth's when phut somehow as well, but nothing has ever happened to me.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Not to gloat or anything, but Tom, do sparks leap out of your fingers, do metal objects stick to you, has a genius ever suggested that you might be the problem that you are fundamentally incompatible with Apple products.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:07 (seventeen years ago) link

(Hey, does anyone know when the next round of new hardware releases is likely to hit?)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:35 (seventeen years ago) link

WWDC, August 7th

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:12 (seventeen years ago) link

someone ought to use statistits to see what the likelyhood of all this awful shit happening to tom is...

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno what is "all this awful shit" since only the last three macs I've (we've) bought have had issues, and I treated my old powerbook like crap. Before that I had a turquoise 300mhz iBook that still runs, AFAIK, a handmedown black PB that had a monitor cable problem once, and an 8500 that worked like a charm.

I only got the 20" iMac because I figured it had been in production long enough that they ought to have worked out any major problems.

The rest of "all this awful shit" is pretty much OS X being 100% crappier than advertised. Shit, Ableton & Firefox run on Windows too, I'll just get a core duo ugly machine, at least they don't obfuscate the living shit out of their fucking directory structure and I CAN USE THE TAB KEY TO ENTER DATA INTO ALL FIELDS, TEXT OR OTHERWISE, WHEN I'M ON THE INTARNERT. HOLY SHIT LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE DO THAT, LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

First attempts prove unsuccessful:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1945000/images/_1949073_mouse_ear300.jpg

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, your powerbook didn't have any actual hardware related problems either, you just broke it. Two different things. So, really, you're talking about ONE "awful shit" occurring. Everything else that Jon is classifying as "awful shit" happening to you is--whoa, sit down, wait for it--actually just that you and he disagree on how you want your operating systems to work, not, like, anything actually bad has happened. He'll come around to your point of view in another year, considering he's already backed down/changed opinion on several OS/software-related things.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon still being unable to understand the difference between "iTunes is a shit program" and "awful shit happened to me" shocker.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I just said all of that!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I am dropping by to wonder out loud how Apple can make two laptop lines, one for goofy Hello Kitty fans/iPod dweebs (Macbook) and one for serious-minded horn-rimmed advertising lackeys (Macbook Pro) and GIVE EACH ONE THE SAME DESPERATELY PATHETIC AMOUNT OF BUILT-IN RAM as if the Macbook Pro people are going to use, like, Mail and maybe Word sometimes and that's it???? I mean these are your "creative Powerusers" or whatever, of course they're going to IMMEDIATELY want to open up Final Cut Pro, Word, Photoshop, Quark, all at once, oh and ITUNES so that they can do all this with only the coolest beats jamming along behind them in the background - because everyone knows iTunes plays COOLER MUSIC than other music players - but can you?? Can you fuck! It's like letting you buy a Camaro but charging extra for fourth gear.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

iTunes isn't as shit as iPHOto though, seriously.

I CAN USE THE TAB KEY TO ENTER DATA INTO ALL FIELDS, TEXT OR OTHERWISE, WHEN I'M ON THE INTARNERT. HOLY SHIT LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE DO THAT, LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

PREFERENCES, KEYBOARD AND MOUSE, KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS, FULL KEYBOARD ACCESS. THE END. (WORKS IN SAFARI AND FIREFOX)

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

SHITTY DEFAULT SETTINGS IS TOTALLY BITING THE MSFT STEEZ

THANKS THOUGH MAYBE I'LL GET TO TRY IT AFTER I GET A BRAND NEW ONE FROM THE GENIUSES THIS AFTERNOON

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll knock on wood here too and say i've had no trouble at all with my brand spankin' new imac.

Any ideas on what I should do with my old cyan G3 - i just don't think i can part with it (even tho the thing is 100% dead). Maybe fill it with skittles or turn it into a toaster?

XPOST

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link


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