Bryan Ferry, 1979-1999: What Happened? What Was He Going For?

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Ned's reviews are, as usual, quite good -- Bete Noir in particular is a pretty fresh take.

I had to reread that review just now because I'd forgotten it completely -- would definitely change a lot of the style but I'm actually surprised by my conclusions, in a good way. I need to listen to that one again!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 August 2009 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm listening to it now. "The Name of the Game" = wow. It's like Ferry heard "Live to Tell" and wanted to record a vocal as naked as Madonna's until his ethos got in the way -- he sounds like he's singing from Mons Venus across endlessly cavernous slap bass and synth tracks.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 August 2009 03:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Writers think like writers, musicians like musicians.

The Occam's razor element here comes courtesy friends who played on some of these records.

At this point, Ferry had enough money to indulge his obsessive ideas about instrument sounds leading to some truly crazy frittering of studio time to get one beat of a percussion sound nobody would really hear. (I don't know how much drugs did or did not play into matters.)

So I don't think there's an art theory Macguffin here. And I think this helps explain the loopy disconnect between "Kiss and Tell"'s succinct dance pop and blurry whoosh of "The Right's Stuff". Without Roxy and his art school pals, he had nobody to bounce those sort of notions off (I forget when Simon Puxley passed on, but it seems Ferry spent much time just trying to keep him alive.)

Anyway--he DID have musicians. Anyone he wanted. And all the studio time in the world.

I mean, I saw him at Radio City in '88 and he had The Best Band Money Could Buy and it was literally the most godawful show I've ever seen, one Sisters of Mercy atrocity to the side.

I think his recent inclinations towards Manzanara and Eno show, perhaps, a humbling sense of needing reflective sources.

i, grey, Friday, 28 August 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

And then there's the facts that BOYS AND GIRLS made him a shitload of money, which would lend validation to whatever aesthetic caused that to happen.

i, grey, Friday, 28 August 2009 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

The only thing I find puzzling is that, once there was an 80s revival really getting into the mainstream, Ferry stopped reviving the 80s....
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 March 2008 16:21 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Not really, when all around you are doing the same thing, it should be more implicit for the 'artist' to do something different...

Mark G, Friday, 28 August 2009 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I mean, I saw him at Radio City in '88 and he had The Best Band Money Could Buy and it was literally the most godawful show I've ever seen, one Sisters of Mercy atrocity to the side.

Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2EqR89MpiQ&feature=related

Please check out the lead guitarist's hair.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 December 2009 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

/I mean, I saw him at Radio City in '88 and he had The Best Band Money Could Buy and it was literally the most godawful show I've ever seen, one Sisters of Mercy atrocity to the side./

Like this?

Please check out the lead guitarist's hair.
--Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)


He sure is surrounded by a lot of plume- and loincloth-clad black people there.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 28 December 2009 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link

"Frantic" definitely had some more muscle to it, didn't it? Good Eno collab on that one, too. (Though to be fair, if memory serves, Eno is all over "Mamouna," which every much sounds like something he might have produced circa then).

What I've always found most odd about Ferry's shift to full-on smooth mode is how raw and invigorating all the prime Roxy stuff is. I mean, they had enough money to sound like Steely Dan, if they wanted to, but for some reason they kept it rough. I dunno. Maybe blame Manzanera as failing to fulfill his role as studio foil?

Also, unlike Sade, Ferry is just too inherently arch to pull off ennui sans irony. Also, the difference between "cool" and "cold," etc.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 December 2009 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link

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Ha. Saw a god-awful show at Radio City in the early nineties. Then a few weeks later ran into a friend of a friend musician, complained about the show I saw and she told me that she had been rehearsing with Ferry, but he fired everybody in the version of the band she was in, which she claimed was much better, and replaced them with the jokers that I saw.

the embed's too big without you (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 December 2009 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link

As good as Manzanera, Mackay, et al were as musicians, they weren't Steve Gadd or Skunk Baxter, so on Manifesto, the closest they ever came to Katy Lied-Royal Scam era Dan (check out "Ain't That So"), they still sound like punks.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 December 2009 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, yeah. But they could have *afforded* to replace them in the studio with session dudes. And indeed ultimately did, with Andy Newmark, Rick Marotta, their rotating cast of bassists, et al. The question is, why didn't they go whole hog with the session smooth earlier? I suppose there are some parallels to the Beatles as a touring unit vs. the Beatles as studio bound. When Roxy got back together for "Manifesto," they were a fundamentally different band in a different place, and I doubt they would have gotten to that place naturally, sans a disruptive hiatus.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 December 2009 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link

No question but that Ferry would have replaced them ALL if he could. He tossed out Paul Thompson because he was too much of a "basher."

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 December 2009 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought Paul offered an easy opening by breaking his hand or something? Curiously, Thompson was back for the reunion tour but barely billed.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 December 2009 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Can't wait for the next round of Alfred's and Scott's Roxy/Ferry podcast - the 80s are next
http://rockcriticsarchives.com/audiovisual/index-roxy.html

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 30 January 2010 08:43 (fourteen years ago) link

GQ linked to us!

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey Alfred, when is the next podcast going up--I am loving these!

iago g., Sunday, 31 January 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

as soon as Scott edits the last three broadcasts.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll happily accept criticism, by the way. Relistening, I'm aware that I overuse "interesting."

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 February 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link

The "post-enunciation" phase of Bryan Ferry's career:

http://rockcritics.com/2010/01/22/roxymania-1973/

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 February 2010 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

This whole podcast series has been a v. inspiring idea on a number of fronts.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 February 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Revive to note that after two records of reconnecting with his earlier, rockier sound (Frantic and Dylanesque), Ferry has quietly slid right back into uber-session-y smoothie funk with the last two records (Olympia and Avonmore). It's like Lucifer caught him reneging on their deal.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 26 August 2016 12:01 (seven years ago) link

with which I have no problem because the songwriting is often rather good

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 August 2016 12:44 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

I love "As Time Goes By". One of his finest records.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 8 May 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link

I spend much more time listening to Billie Holiday than any "rock" vocalists these days, so I've always shied away from it the same way I have, say, Rod Stewart's Great American Songbooks records. It was Ferry who introduced me to "These Foolish Things" as a teen though, still one of my favorite songs of all time, so I should probably give "ATGB" a shot.

I don't really like any of these albums (Dan Peterson), Monday, 8 May 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link

ugh bete noire is just fucking killing me with goodness rn

gimmesomehawnz (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link

am i the only person who thinks his best song is 'slave to love'? probs.

No.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

He's coming to Vancouver tomorrow night. I'm pretty strapped for cash but Ferry is one of my all-time favourites - is it a big mistake not to go?

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 12 August 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link

Yes.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 August 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I mean, it'll be very close to the album versions of songs you know, but he won't live forever.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 August 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link

I saw him last year…good show, but his voice is destroyed…

veronica moser, Saturday, 12 August 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link

His voice is reduced a whisper of desires of past. The song selection is striking, though, and the band is first-rate.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 August 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

So what DID happen?? I have theories.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 02:21 (six years ago) link

No love for the Bête Noir title track, Alfred? It's the song that would top my list.
And from BN, definitely 'The Right Stuff' too, 'New Town' as well.
I'd also put 'The Only Face' from Mamouna in there.
And I am pretty fond of his As Time Goes By album, 'The Way You Look Tonight and 'Where or When' are highlights for me there.
'Reason or Rhyme' is a strong one from Olympia.

(But you can count me in with the 'few' mentioned in the OP who would say Boys And Girls and Bête Noir are his best solo albums, don't know what that says about me.)

Valentijn, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link

I can't belive I omitted "Reason or Rhyme."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link

(But you can count me in with the 'few' mentioned in the OP who would say Boys And Girls and Bête Noir are his best solo albums

Ten years later, me too, surprisingly, on Boys and Girls at least. To the point that I even did a re-edit of "Sensation" a few years ago:

https://soundcloud.com/the-me/sensation-the-me-re-edit-1

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link

Excellent writing as usual, Alfred.

Which way to turn and San Simeon are underrated imo

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

those are all good songs. nice list! I'm at peace with ferry as he turned out. I think he's done what he needed to do. and I still don't like Bete Noir that much.

akm, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link

Does anyone have a copy of Eno's 39 Steps mix? I am a big fan but can't find it anywhere.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link

same!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link

I have a different version, from The Horoscope Demos, but I have no idea if it's the Eno mix. Eno is all over that album in a supporting role.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP6HoCNQtlU

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link

I'll still defend Robin Trower's co-productions on this album and Taxi: he insisted on a few tracks per song at most, which put renewed interest on Ferry's vocals and keyboards for the first time since Avalon.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 August 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

Dunno if this was ever posted but it's excellent. Bracewell's knowledge and respect for Ferry/Roxy makes him a keen interviewer.
Have only read his "Remake:Remodel" and "Souvenir" - both excellent. Would like to read more of his stuff.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:24 (four months ago) link

err...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwXiIvS7g0

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 16:25 (four months ago) link

That was enjoyable, thanks for sharing. Ferry’s breezy, devil-may-care detachment there is actually a great contrast to something I just stumbled back upon.

The Mamouna deluxe release has gotten me thinking about how few times in his career Ferry seemed to be unsure of himself. Another was The Bride Stripped Bare which also luxuriates in uncertainty and insecurity but in a very different way.

I was fairly thunderstruck re-reading this interview with Allen Jones in 1978 which oscillates between crushing self-doubt and chest-beating braggadocio that it is striking for an artist that Alfred correctly notes is almost famously unreflective in his interviews. The image of Ferry wandering around parties in Bel Air imagining himself to be an observational writer and “social explorer” but being received instead as a getting-on celebrity who’s just been dumped by his model girlfriend is one of many memorable images here. There’s also his admission at a time when he was estranged from his Roxy bandmates that he gets depressed and unmotivated absent “enthusiasm from other people.”

As for the Bride record itself, I still find it to be a grab bag of decent-to-very good originals—“Sign of the Times” is a classic—oddly straightforward soul covers and a handful of one-off experiments, performed by session musicians who don’t challenge Ferry here so much as indulge him.

But the hurt, loneliness and wounded pride are more audible in the context of the Jones interview – as Ferry waxes nostalgic about the “emotion” and closeness he felt to a bunch of guys he was paying to play for him in a remote Swiss studio while also admitting to the tremendous pressure he felt from Atlantic Records to break America. There is also the sense of immense frustration he felt with “Sign of the Times” flopping as a single at the height of a movement he felt some ownership for having helped create.

Where did that leave Ferry? Stripped of the credibility to offer ironic social commentary, firmly entrenched as a celebrity but with waning commercial draw as a solo act. That Ferry would return to Roxy a year later with session musos in tow to record the likes of “Dance Away” is perhaps not merely unsurprising but likely inevitable.

Mystery solved?

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 24 November 2023 19:15 (four months ago) link


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