Radiohead can do anything, oh yes they can?

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D.J. Andesron OTM.

not song, album, band, genre, music can be everything anyway.

not that i'm a big fan of RH, but what sort of criticism is it to say that a band doesnt experiment with enough emotional variety (even if it WAS true in this case, and it may not be)?

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I laughed at the 2001 post suggesting they hire Bobby O and cover Divine disco hits. But when I thought about it all I heard in my mind was Erasure. When I thought about the recent "more humorus" thread at first I came up with Zappa, all those insufferable bathroom jokes and the just plain stupid ditties they played between their really cool numbers. But I like dave marsh's pointing to Parliament as a funny dance band model, however I'm having a hard time hearing radiohead/funkadelic in my head. What I came up with sounded like Benny Hill fronting New Order.

JB Young (JB Young), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd like to see them write more than one good song per album.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd like to see people come up with something more interesting to criticize them over than what Alfred just said.

Dan (Let It Go Already) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, that's really where the matter ends for me, Dan,OK Computer excepted (it's got many good songs).

"Good Radiohead song" = Thom Yorke's dystopian mewling subsumed by atmospherics and ugly-loud guitars.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Did they have scantily-clad female singers doing the refrains back on Pablo Honey?!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

No. This is one of the many reasons why Pablo Honey is awful.

Dan (Unforgivable Album In Almost Every Regard) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha. Aha.

When did they last write a pop song? Something that a busker could cover?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link

There's plenty a busker could cover on Hail, but if they don't want to that's their deal. (And frankly given my experiences with the buskers in London I'd actually give them some money if they did that if only to feel relieved it wasn't Bob Marley, David Gray or Coldplay.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link

When did they last write a pop song? Something that a busker could cover?
Did the definition of pop change while I was asleep last night?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

On my visit the buskers near Kings Cross performed Ace of Base's "The Sign." Damn good version it was too.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't say that was a definition of pop.

Change my previous statement to "when did they last write a song that someone could and would do at karaoke?", which I'm sure will wind people up even further.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

i only like music that someone could and would do at karaoke.

inert false cat (sleep), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

i only like music that someone could and would do.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I can name that tune in no notes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Because my statement was predicated with "Only music as thus is any good at all, all the rest is shite" wasn't it?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link

"As far as I can see the only humorless people here are the ones complaining that Radiohead/their fans lack a sense of humor."

tis fair enough to say, but doubtful...as having run into more than my fair share of RH fans/fanatics, i can say w/ some amount of experience that NONE of them had any doubts about the direction of RH @ any point, nor did they think ANY joke pertaining to RH was funny in the least.
i'll admit, i don't see almost ANY humor in them. unless it's packed tightly amongst the b-sides i've never sat down and listened to. (and i've been subjected to a huge slice of their catalog, unfortunately)

perhaps it's just this guy's opinion (in fact, it IS!), but RH are pretty much w/o a smile anytime i've ever seen them!

and yes, the millions in the bank, the critics hanging on they're every bleep/bloop, the fans fawning over them like earth-bound godlings that just got outta bed- all this should amount to some sort of 'good tidings' and cast out a portion they're constant dread.

all that said, maybe they should just all pick up some guitars and hang up the political blather they're so fond of, for just a second maybe?

eedd, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

That Alfred Hitchcock. His classic films were so dark, so menacing, so lacking in "emotional uplift". How could anyone possibly have enjoyed them?

drewo (drewo), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link

pretty solid

rizzx (Rizz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

"when did they last write a song that someone could and would do at karaoke?"

There There
Drunken Punchup At A Wedding
Go To Sleep
We Suck Young Blood
The Gloaming
I Will
Myxomatosis

Dan (Off The Top Of My Head) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe they should just all pick up some guitars and hang up the political blather they're so fond of, for just a second maybe?

Maybe you should offer the band your consulting services.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

RH are pretty much w/o a smile anytime i've ever seen them!

To echo what Melissa said - surely no one who's seen them live in more recent years (since the Kid A/Amnesiac era, anyway)could mistake them for miserable bastards.

Deluxe (Damian), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link

You go to fucking weird karaoke, Dan Perry.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Hitchcock films totally have emotional uplift!

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

ah the infamous karaoke standard

wtf

rizzx (Rizz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I am not saying that music is only god if you can do it at karaoke, you fucking morons.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

They're fucking rubbish at pop songs these days though.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001FZK.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000005RS5.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

inert false cat (sleep), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd like to suggest that the fact that they don't have scantily-clad girls singing in unison on their refrains doesn't mean that they don't do pop songs anymore but I'm afraid you'd hit me.

Bananarama >>>>>> Radiohead anyday

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link

(Sorry for the disjointedness, I'm trying to reply to a lot of stuff out-of-order while trying to keep my contributions to the discussion vaguely original after other people have already said them better than I can)

Maybe it's just that all their success hasn't gone to their head (or as Meeting People is Easy shows, their success only served to make them uncomfortable). Maybe they really believe in their anti-corporatist/capitalist/consumerism rhetoric and don't find acquiring huge sums of money to be as fulfilling as it's made out to be. At least they're consistent. I really wish that people would stop harping on this point in this discussion; it's perfectly reasonable to me that success hasn't/shouldn't changed their artistic direction. Whether they should expand an "emotional palette" for other reasons (stagnation, variety, so Stylus popists can hack away at them in the Singles Jukebox) is at least a coherent argument, but it seems totally ridiculous to me to ask an artist to "be happier" and change their direction solely because they've achieved a high level of success. It would be baffling to ask, say, Bergman or Herzog to "lighten up, you're the toast of the town, pitch us a romantic comedy". Some artists simply work better with darker material (and I'm not a "radiohead's gawd, and there's no way around it" fan, I haven't even listened to anything before Kid A or b-sides in probably a year, so don't accuse me of pretension when I'm throwing around words like Artist) and if you don't appreciate it there's really no reason to keep annoying yourself.

I mean, are all artists supposed to cover the entire emotional spectrum? I'm getting different expectations from different people here - what do you think this new direction should look like? Drop the political bits and go back to The Bends, but janglier and with a catchy chorus? I don't understand what you're trying to say with "joyful" - it seems crass to me, to go out and write something specifically (what do you really mean by joyful? I just don't understand) for the novelty, to take a completely opposite tack from the rest of their career. I know I keep repeating myself. Maybe they have tried different material and it hasn't worked out for them. Must their records be a complete mirror of their emotions? I know it's abstract and probably impossible to answer, but what do you think you'd get out of it? What would they say? Do you want a love song? A song free from irony about how everything is going to be alright?

I also don't understand this emotional monochromaticism. Are we just talking subject material here? A general feeling like depression? I'll admit there is a lyrical tendency towards despair, alienation, fear, and weakness - but musically (and I don't mean strictly tonally) there's a pretty wide range of feeling. Yeah, there's claustrophobia (Climbing Up The Walls), grunge-angst (Just), emotional distance (Morning Bell), paranoid fear and anger (A Wolf At the Door), but there are also moments of humor (the lightly bitter humor of Sulk, the boozy whimsicality of Life in a Glass House, the absurdity of We Suck Young Blood) and beauty (Pyramid Song). So much of their material is multivalent in feeling if not literal lyrical meaning, it's really a disservice and critical laziness to just call it depressing and walk away without really trying to get more out of the songs. I mean, isn't that what really appreciating music is? Digging deeper than the surface-level impression to derive a greater meaning? If that's not what you get from this group, fine (I'm not picking on anyone specific here), but plenty of people do get a lot more out of it (as someone upthread said about life-affirming Hitchcock or Shostakovitch).

As for the humor... well, no, it isn't really ha-ha humor but gallows irony and absurdity (Thom on Let Down: I was pissed in a club, and I suddenly had the funniest thought I'd had for ages - what if all the people who were drinking were hanging from the bottles... if the bottles were hung from the ceiling with string, and the floor caved in, and the only thing that kept everyone up was the bottles?), at least within the music itself. Those lyrics shouldn't all be taken seriously all the time. Outside the music, you get stuff like the ridiculous alternate titles from HTTT, Ed's never-departing onstage smile, Thom's put-on Byrnian seizuring during their performances, and the weirdness of their website. Admittedly there's more humor both in and out of the music nowadays; remember, only HTTT is at all recent, the Kid A sessions were 98-99 and they were in a much darker mood back then - I'm confident the next album will in fact be a bit more "joyous" and playful relative to their material from seven-ten years ago, as they're a lot more comfortable in their skin as musicians and (I hope) well-rounded human beings.

D.J. Anderson, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I should have done more than a quick google search to find that link... I was thinking of a specific study and statistic, but I saw that that page had the gist of what I was looking for (lower happiness levels in industrial countries, the rapidly dimishing returns of additional happiness with yearly incomes greater than $25,000). I don't know how much it'd help my argument to link to a psychological study, but the wealth/happiness debate is specious anyway.

D.J. Anderson, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Typos always go will with defensive ire.

Dan (LOL At Nick) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Should I say something or not or...?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

You were SUPPOSED to revel in the irony!

Dan (Mr. Joke Ruiner) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link

"Maybe you should offer the band your consulting services.

-- Nigel (sellout...), February 21st, 2006."

if they would like, i would gladly offer my undivided attention to them;)

as always, it seems, w/ RH, there's just no middle ground.
i guess i'll just remain in the dark concerning they're gawd-like status amongst folks...and not really care until given reason to...

eedd, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha, I kind of have given my favourite band my consultancy services, it's ace!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

Ed O'Brien solo album reportedly on the way. Here's an excerpt to whet your appetite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG-Od2-OTdg

pomenitul, Saturday, 5 October 2019 13:03 (one month ago) link


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