Hellboy rules.

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i'm going crazy wanting to see this! and my dawn of the dead date fell through tonight! i gnash my teeth!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

no one will go with me :-(

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

maybe you should dress up as hellboy and go by yourself!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:03 (twenty years ago) link

this is what i get for ditching all my geek friends post-college

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, seeing movies by yourself is classic, if the theater is good and non-sleazy.

I don't think the bladder defense is good enough re: Margot Kidder's music video.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

"can you read my MIND?!"

and yeah, i see movies by myself all the time! and i'm cool

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 03:37 (twenty years ago) link

I thought hellboy was pretty great. Classic even! Can't wait to see if the Xmen series does the Phoenix saga.

hector (hector), Monday, 5 April 2004 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

It would be so, so good if they did.

re: Hellboy, I meant to mention the special effects for Selma Blair On Fire, too -- I now fully believe in the feasibility of a Fantastic Four movie that wouldn't suck. That was one of those nice touches, like when you know (obviously) that it's special effects, but you don't feel like they're trying to blow you away with "hey, look what we can do."

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 09:33 (twenty years ago) link

I loved the clockwork guy. (haven't read the comic, though I probably will now, even though all the asswipes at the comic store will accuse me of bandwagonning, even though I've been a fan of Mignola's since Gotham By Gaslight)

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

I'd never gotten around to the comic (hearing people talk about it, it always sounded like something that would have very involved continuity, hard to read casually; which it turns out is not at all the case) but picked up the first volume yesterday. It's very different from the movie: the Prof has a small enough role that he could be written out entirely (or could die of old age between flashback and current day) without affecting the story; Liz is ten years older with none of her insecurities; Torch of Liberty, a Captain America analogue, is part of the group at the beginning, so this is a more comic booky universe; other things like that.

The spirit is mostly the same, and I don't know how representative the first book is.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

Hellboy thread on I Love Comics.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

The way X2 ended I have no doubt in my mind that, if there is an X3, it will be the Phoenix thang.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

I'm all for another X-Men movie, and Dark Phoenix is cool and all, but Jean Grey is just so BORING.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

(Speaking of comics, the second collection of The Maxx is either out or reprinted -- I hadn't seen it before, but I might well have missed it. It won't make too much sense if you haven't read the first volume and don't remember the cartoon, but damn is it good.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

(Can someone please please please re-release The Maxx cartoons on DVD? Best cartoons ever)

First comic-book adaptation I've liked since Blade, but it dropped off in quality at the second subway adventure. Comments about it trying to fit too much into the movie OTM - but that's been the case with every comic book movie other than Blade, right? SpiderMan really suffered from the "here's the backstory, oh and a little action!"-syndrome

Baby Hellboy was awesome, the cat fetish was a nice touch.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 5 April 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

I tried googling today to figure out why on earth the Maxx isn't on DVD -- the out-of-print videocassette sells for as much as $100, so you figure the demand must be there -- but found nothing. Sometimes there's a rights thing or whatever.

Baby Hellboy was really great, although the Baby Ruth thing had me thinking Goonies (this isn't necessarily bad, I guess).

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, damn, $100? I bought the Maxx cartoons for $1 at Movie Trading Co. a couple of years ago and left it at someone's apartment.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 5 April 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

I've got the Maxx cartoons on my computer. :P

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:09 (twenty years ago) link

A conversation with TOMBOT about this film, which he didn't think was great, turned into talking about recent comicbooks adaptations. The last to come up were Blade & Blade II, which he didn't much rate either. I asked whther he hated Ron Perlman/Fun, and he said that he liked Ron, and had enjoyed his work in City of Lost Children & Alien 4, both Jeunet films. Clearly to properly calibrate his tastes, Science demands the creation of Amelie 2: Enter Hellboy.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:34 (twenty years ago) link

You know what else I liked about Hellboy (and this is probably something that goes back to the comics)? I liked that even though the BPRD is a top-secret agency whose existence the Director of the FBI denies on TV Talk Shows, they still put their logo on their airplane. That was classy.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

Ha! I hadn't thought of that.

I like the fact that Jeffrey Tambor was not nearly as goofy as I expected him to be (especially since he played a similar role in Muppets From Space).

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

I thought he was really good, until the inexplicable moment where they're tramping around in the booby-trapped tunnels underneath Rasputin's grave, hunting Nazis, and all he can say when he's attacked by the assassin freak is, "Hey, what do you think you're doing?" all offended and shit.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago) link

I thought he was going to be like that the whole time, though! So I was like, "Okay, well, that gets that out of the way."

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

It was a good movie. Though there should've been vampires and werewolves and more creepiness. Less of the Predator-demons. But I liked it. I think Del Toro nailed the feel of the comics for the most part.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, yeah, that was the other that sorta bugged me about it. HB spent too much time fighting the same monsters. MORE MONSTERS, not more of the SAME monsters.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

I agree...most of the things I didn't like about it have their roots in the comic.

My favorite moment might have been in the subway fight -- the whole taking the piss out of superheroes always having to save cute little animals and babies and whatnot, so fuck it let's HAND HIM A BOX OF KITTENS while fighting the big bad hellhound.

(x-post)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

hey! you wrote the same thing on ILComics. You're double-dipping!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Crone (sp?) is one of the baddest-ass movie villains from a movie based on a comic book I've ever seen. Totally nightmarish.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Ha, I was going to mention that, but figured no one reads ILC anyway.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Especially when he "bled" sand. I nearly flipped! And I loved the way you could hear his gears whirring. V. creepy. Norman Bates creepy.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

I loved how quickly the decrepit sandbag of a corpse became unstoppable Nazi ninja motherfucker. From zero to lung-puncturing in 0.6 seconds or some shit.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Woah hold up let's back this up a second...Jeunet directed Alien 4!?!!?! Why have I not seen this yet!?!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, he was great. And for some reason all the excessive flashy knife-whirling before he would ever actually hit anyone seemed to fit the character, like he just really enjoyed being a Nazi ninja.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

Woah hold up let's back this up a second...Jeunet directed Alien 4!?!!?! Why have I not seen this yet!?!!

Plus, there's some really hot lesboedipal tension between Winona and Ripley.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

Loved the sand-nazi apparently *winding himself up* prior to action moves. Loved the Russian direction-giving corpse. LOVED Abe Sapien with a very special love reserved only for effeminate fishmen.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

One strike against the movie - Pete Yorn doing "Red Right Hand."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

Is that who it was? Yes. Nick Cave's version has shown up in enough movies, what stopped them from getting it again?

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, well I thought it was kind of zzzzzzzzzzz.

I really, really wanted to like it. Bear in mind that I am a fairly avid comics reader, but I have never read Hellboy.

I just found it fairly cliched, corny and...well, boring. Ron Perlman was good enough (not great, though), but he had some terrible "one-liners" and I thought that the Hellboy character was kind of flat. I also pretty much hated that fake-looking fish thing. I didn't get the sense of "wow! comics come alive!" epic-ness that I got watching the X-men films, and felt that some of the pacing and framing would even been better suited to the comics medium (some nice use of colors, though). Maybe I missed something?

I would like to add that, on the advice above, I finally saw Blade last night and that really was something special.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

Crone (sp?) is one of the baddest-ass movie villains from a movie based on a comic book I've ever seen.

Kroenen in the movie isn't really based on Kroenen in the books.

Pedantic Nerd O'Gaddy (Leee), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

I saw it last night and it really wasn't what I was expecting. I'm surprised it has been reviewed so favorably! I do like the Hellboy comics (I wouldn't call myself a "fan", but I've read several of the TPBs and liked them a lot), but as soon as the movie started and I heard the way the lines were delivered my heart kind've sunk. I liked Blade too, so after hearing everyone say that this is Del Toro's best movie I was pretty excited. After the intro sequence I was thinking "ooh damn they already lost anyone who hasn't read the comics" and then just a little way into the movie I realized they lost me too. :(

The thing that bothered me the most was Abe Sapien as a fucking C3P0 clone! That's just so wrong!

Dan I., Monday, 12 April 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

3P0 is waaaaaaaaaay gayer than AS.

adam (adam), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

Though talking like David Hyde Pierce is not exactly the express train to straightville.

adam (adam), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

Dan OTM

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

My fellow adam also OTM

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha, I always thought that the two adams were the same adam!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 12 April 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

The other adam is cool, d00d. He likes Ca$h Money and comic books, as far as I can tell.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 April 2004 17:00 (twenty years ago) link

That's why I thought it was you!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 12 April 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

This was the thread where The Maxx was mentioned, right? I went ahead and bought a DVD from Ebay -- not an official release, obviously, looks like a transfer from videocassette or computer. But it's perfectly watchable -- sound's perfect, video is comparable to videocassette with awkward blacks -- and cost me like $9.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

The wonderful world of bootlegging never occurred to me. I just got one off EBay for $9.99.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:58 (twenty years ago) link

so i saw this hellboy and i gotta say i was pretty delighted for the first act or so, i loved the way it looked and it was sort of appealing to me on every single level, except perhaps the prurient. but man does this movie sag in the middle! and the ending stinks too. i got bored and impatient.

love those tentacley space demons though.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 April 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link


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