― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/tour04/stage19/live/jans.jpg
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link
*yawns*
― duke asleep, Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link
The letter is more a defense of Lemond, but the attack on Ferrari, as I noted above, reflects strongly on Armstrong.
― Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke hello, Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke swiss, Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not sure I understand yr question, but...
Big Mig? Or alleged EPO poster child "up 'til now I've had debilitating wheat allergies that affected my equilibrium, but watch me go now!" Gianni Bugno?
Armstrong is known as a hardcore my way/highway person. I don't know if he's brought his personal beefs into his business side, but I'm not clear on how much differentiation there is there. The first personal beef I think of besides Armstrong is Livingston.
― Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link
mig but take your pick. i saw bugno that day on alpe d'huez too. in a world championship jersey i believe.
"I'm not clear on how much differentiation there is there"
between a racecourse and running/dealing with a company? really? lemond is way more emotional, less steely a person. not to mention more wily a racer than he ever was dominating. he could not have handled what lance had to last year in the tour IMHO. would have thrown his bike or something i bet. and what of hinault's take as i said in an earlier post? he's got no real allegiance to anybody and def. knows lemond up close and he has made a call, from what liggett and sherwen said the other day, that greg's jealous. and greg on ESPN said "if he's clean, greatest comeback, if he's not, greatest fraud" well duh, then why even say anything? ...or bother to qualify at all if you basically say in the next breath he ADMITTED using substances during the phone call to him? something's fishy about it.
― duke fish, Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I may be misunderstanding, or not making my (perhaps needlessly-nuanced) position clear, but I don't think we're really arguing too much here. I deplored Lemond's comments about LA. I totally dug LA running down Kloeden like a dog, and LA's professionalism and desire are fucking great. Even if he were to be found doping, I'd actually still think he's among the greatest ever. I just don't assume he's clean, and I am concerned about the Simeoni thing yesterday. Simeoni's comments were under oath I believe. Was he supposed to perjure himself to protect the peloton? LA is saying he lied under oath to impugn it? Or just Ferrari? Complicated.
If pro cycling were revealed to be a drugging clown show, it really wouldn't ruin my day, I'd rather ride my own bike and think about trying to get enough training time in to race 'cross this year.
― Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 25 July 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― queen G goes round and round, Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link
Speaking of prizes, Floyd Landis (USPS) has been awarded a special prize by comedian Robin Williams, who is a good fried of Lance Armstrong and the team. After his efforts in the mountains, and particularly stage 17, Williams nominated Landis the "baddest mofo of the mountains" and gave him a studly gold ring.
Shouldn't he be off making Patch Adams II: Electric Boogaloo or something?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
PARIS (AP) _ Lance Armstrong rode into history Sunday by winningthe Tour de France for a record sixth time, an achievement thatconfirmed the victory-hungry cancer survivor as one of the greatestsportsmen of all time.
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke bring, Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
i hereby declare you to be awesome
love,
g dubbs
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Bush spent the morning clearing brush at his ranch here, butcame into his house about the time his fellow Texan crossed thefinish line and watched TV coverage after the race's finish, shesaid.
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
He was under oath, and accusing someone of purjury would be a serious charge. I think Armstrong's upset about the way Simeoni framed himself. His testimony was essentially "yeah, I did drugs, but I was just following orders". Thus, he's transfering some of the blame from himself to his doctors, trainers, and team management. Thus, the doping issue acquires a lot more breadth than just a few guys doping on their own without instruction from anybody, and that's what Lance feels is so damaging to cycling.
Eurosport somehow missed out on the Simeoni attacks at the start. That explains why the commentators weren't flipping out like I was when he did it again halfway through the stage.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
According to a Domina Vacanze team source, Simeoni learned on Sunday that magistrates presiding over the trial of Armstrong’s performance consultant, Michele Ferrari, may wish to question the American about his mid-race altercation with Simeoni on Friday’s 18th stage. Legal officials in Florence apparently suspect that Armstrong may have been guilty of attempting to influence a witness.
― Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 25 July 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke give me break, Sunday, 25 July 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Full-on respect to Hunter. I mostly mountain bike, but I've done a handful of cyclocross races over the past couple of years. Bike riding at its most primeval, all that up-bank down-ditch madness, real heart-rate through the roof, sliding around in shite, chunder through your nose, 'what the hell am I doing this for', cold, wet Sunday morning in Hell stuff. Fucking batshit stupid, but it's great. Woohoo!
― NickB (NickB), Sunday, 25 July 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke mudd, Sunday, 25 July 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link
It's weird how ubiquitous cross bikes are now.
― Hunter (Hunter), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Monday, 26 July 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 26 July 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link
How soon do we see where the route will be next year, seeing as we have free accomodation over there it'd be silly not to go see if it's not near where we stay
― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:35 (nineteen years ago) link
um.
― The muted sensation feels amazeballs. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-ends-fight-against-doping-charges-losing-his-7-tour-de-france-titles.html?hp
― The muted sensation feels amazeballs. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:39 (eleven years ago) link
LOL
― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
Haw.
― omar little, Friday, 24 August 2012 03:49 (eleven years ago) link
jan aint gonna win squat. he'll be surpassed by ivan basso and the new french generation once lance quits..
― Jay G (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 00:13 (8 years ago)
lol, 'new french generation'
― your own personal cheeses (haitch), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone think there's any merit to the rumor that the drugs caused his cancer?
― wk, Friday, 24 August 2012 04:46 (eleven years ago) link
you couldn't really say 'caused it' but if he was mucking around with HGH and testosterone and the like, that stuff isn't exactly going to calm down and aggressive tumor.
― your own personal cheeses (haitch), Friday, 24 August 2012 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
Possible. High testosterone levels increase the risk of testicular cancer. Anabolics increase IGF-1, and IGF-1 increases cancer risk. Even Epo is implicated in cancer proliferation.
― The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Friday, 24 August 2012 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
the World Anti-Doping Code
This is like some Marvel Comics thing
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 24 August 2012 05:10 (eleven years ago) link
Will they also be taking away all the times he got to sleep with Sheryl Crow?
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 24 August 2012 05:12 (eleven years ago) link
It is shameful that there is still stigma over enhancing the capabilities of the human body. However, enhancement for personal achievement is an individualist crime and must be punished accordingly.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Friday, 24 August 2012 08:26 (eleven years ago) link
They're going to have trouble going down the list and finding a retroactive winner who didn't dope.
― Popture, Friday, 24 August 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
They aren't going to bother trying to find a retroactive winner who didn't dope. They only wanted Lance.
― dandydonweiner, Friday, 24 August 2012 09:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.rapha.cc/content/uploads/ullrich-beer12.jpg
FOUR TIME TOUR DE FRANCE WINNER
― Unprofitable Airlines Give You So Much More (King Boy Pato), Friday, 24 August 2012 11:01 (eleven years ago) link
if it gets ferrari and bruyneel out of the sport, it'll have been worth it.
― your own personal cheeses (haitch), Friday, 24 August 2012 11:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.bicycling.com/print/67431
good interview with JV on doping stuff
― your own personal cheeses (haitch), Friday, 24 August 2012 11:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-walsh-on-armstrong-and-usadas-charges
― your own personal cheeses (haitch), Friday, 24 August 2012 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Bassons
Bassons became known during the 1998 doping Festina scandal, when the discovery of a carload of drugs being driven to the team's riders in the Tour de France led to evidence that doping was widespread in the team. In September 1998, the newspaper France Soir published statements made to the police. Two convicted riders, Armin Meier and Christophe Moreau, said that Bassons was the only rider on the team not taking drugs.[2]
Jean-Luc Gatellier said in L'Équipe:
It's true he's not one of them and he hasn't come out of the same mould. It's true that he refused to 'load the canon' (the pretty expression used by those who take EPO) these past years, it's true that Christophe Bassons doesn't belong to the family of cheats and the corrupted.[3]
Moreau's and Meier's court statement brought attention to a rider who had never acquired it through his racing. He wrote in Vélo, a French monthly, that riders who spoke out against quarterly medical checks imposed by the sports ministry after the Festina trial were hypocrites. He said: "That makes me laugh when I hear they're asking for changes to the tests. The truth, however, is that they are obliged to change their behaviour. They talk about 'two-speed cycling'[4] But me, for three years, I've been the second speed. They have ruined three years of my life as a racer and I never said anything."[5]
The interest that the Festina trial brought to him led to an invitation to write a column during the 1999 Tour for Le Parisien, a newspaper in the same corporate group as the Tour de France itself. Ian Austen wrote in Procycling:
On the whole his columns were largely innocuous if entertaining looks at life in the peloton. If anything, he sometimes went out of his way to dispel doping rumours. After the stage into Blois, which passed at record average speed, Bassons warned readers: 'Don't get any ideas about the record speed. With a wind like we had, it's normal to ride this fast.' But two columns stuck out. After Lance Armstrong showed that not only had he recovered from cancer, he'd risen to the top of the pack, Bassons wrote that his performances had 'shocked' the peloton.
Bassons said Armstrong rode up alongside on the Alpe d'Huez stage to tell him "it was a mistake to speak out the way I do and he asked why I was doing it. I told him that I'm thinking of the next generation of riders. Then he said 'Why don't you leave, then?'"[6] Armstrong confirmed the story. On the main evening news on TF1, a national television station, Armstrong said: "His accusations aren't good for cycling, for his team, for me, for anybody. If he thinks cycling works like that, he's wrong and he would be better off going home."[7][8][9][10]
― omar little, Friday, 24 August 2012 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
The badger typically circumspect
Another French cycling celebrity, Bernard Hinault, gave his very pesonal view: "I don't f***ing care. It's his problem not mine. It's a problem that should have been solved 10 or 15 years ago and that wasn't."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-cycling-reacts-armstrong-to-lose-tour-titles
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 24 August 2012 12:54 (eleven years ago) link
it's amazing to me that anyone could like this dude, he's like barry bonds if barry bonds were actually somehow douchier, at least BB went out there and was an honest to goodness upfront asshole and not acting the role of a messiah while pulling off cartel intimidation shit behind the scenes.
― omar little, Friday, 24 August 2012 13:07 (eleven years ago) link
haha Bernard!
― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Friday, 24 August 2012 13:10 (eleven years ago) link
what is this anyway? "I didnt do it but I am not going to fight the charges" ??
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Friday, 24 August 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link
Kind of a big deal because he was trying to become the best IronMan triathlete in the world and he won't be able to compete in IronMan events anymore. Other than that, no fucks given.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 24 August 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link