I HATE APPLE

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we installed windows on our laptop. it's the first time i use it. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU HATE APPLE IF THERE'S WINDOWS? just try windows for five minutes and feel the lurve for apple return.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 16 June 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

the processor is whining because it wants to be put out of its misery

lf (lfam), Saturday, 17 June 2006 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
New Mac v PC ads

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 8 July 2006 09:06 (seventeen years ago) link

did they actually broadcast them?

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 8 July 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

these can't be real (although i said that about the original ads).

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 8 July 2006 10:02 (seventeen years ago) link

just saw the other ones

these ones are not real

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 8 July 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

real ones aren't much better though, haha

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 8 July 2006 10:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, i have a problem with my macbook pro :-( suddenly last night i seemed to lose my internet connection, and i'm having a lot of trouble getting it back. i'm connecting wirelessly to a netgear DG834G router, and have been doing so for months. the connection shows 5 bars, but after being connected for 5 mins or so i seem to lose the ability to browse the web etc, although logging in to the router on other machines shows that my laptop's still connected. any ideas?

i've googled and found tons of problems with macbook pro airport stuff, but they all seem to happen straight out of the box, and don't seem to involve the wireless connection appearing to stay valid. hopefully this is just something really stupid...

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 06:54 (seventeen years ago) link

cant you go to the login page?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 13 July 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you specified DNS servers explicitly in the network setting page? The OS X networking stack seems to have this problem where it looses knowledge of cached DNS servers.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:02 (seventeen years ago) link

does login page = the router's admin page? if so, then no.

DNS servers - no, will do so. weirdly i noticed that my fixed IP address has changed, which seems really weird.

related, hopefully easier q: my first idea for a workaround was to connect via an ethernet cable. on xp, this would just work - you plug in and go. nothing happened on my mac, though! what do i need to do to use ethernet with the router?

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Is your Mac set to acquire an address via DHCP?

Try doing this for the ethernet interface when connecting with the cable and see what address the Mac picks up and if you can get to the management page.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:26 (seventeen years ago) link

ha, now it seems like i can get a connection within a foot or two of the router, but not across the other side of the room (still shows up as being connected, but doesn't work). bizarre.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, you could try forcing the router onto a different wireless channel, there maybe something causing interference. Is there another router with the same SSID in your block? You could try changing the SSID as well.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link

just looked again, and it had lost my static ip address again; so i put that back, and nothing happened, so put in the DNS servers as ed suggested, and it's been working for 5 mins. only annoyance is that if i try to go to the router admin page it tells me that there's another admin logged in (presumably me on the other ip address a few mins ago, as the other machine is off).

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:17 (seventeen years ago) link

reboot the router

Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, i feel a bit superstitious about doing that! i'll do it once i've done everything essential...

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

s there another router with the same SSID in your block?

how would i find this out? i'm pretty sure it must be something like that, as it seems like i'm fine except when i put the computer in one corner of the lounge (which is unfortunqtely where i usuqlly work!).

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

When you set up your router did you change the name of the network (the SSID) to something unique?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
20" core duo iMac purchased a month ago now incapable of staying up long enough to ask me what language I prefer the system reinstaller dvd to talk to me in

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ouch

I'm relived that my battery isn't one of the recalled ones

Ed (dali), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

did not feel that another lemon hardware issue was worth reviving the thread but I'm on hold for applecare and they just made me listen to "Ready Steady Go." I don't know what the hell the rest of this shit is but I think there was some barenaked ladies at the beginning of this ordeal and really honestly this is bar none the absolute worst hold music I've ever, ever had to deal with in my entire life of having my time wasted by waiting on understaffed CCs.


BTW the only reason I am ON HOLD is because the brilliant "Concierge" system completely fills up within hours of store opening at both Pentagon City and Clarendon. I have a hint for you fuckers, don't sell broken-ass CPUs if you can't hire enough techs to fix them. FFS.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I fully intend to be incredibly rude to any Genius Bar staff I'm forced to talk to that don't just take the box away and give me a new one with store credit for the price difference between wired and bluetooth peripherals.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

10.4.7. is a stinker.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

every upgrade with an odd third digit has been a complete horror, AFACT.

I'm not looking forward to hearing about this "restocking fee"

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

they are totally getting you back for slagging on them; BLACKLISTED

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

are they also totally getting me back for giving them thousands and thousands of dollars over the years? was waiting for you to show up and tell me something like how if I don't like listening to oakenfold over the phone I should just stay away from nextstep-based OSes

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Serious question: do all your hardware problems happen with fairly recently purchased stuff? Bathtub curve?

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

CAPTAIN SAVE AN-OS

S-L-U-G (plsmith), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck the restocking fee bullshit. If they try to pull that on you, go home and e-mail the address I posted above. Someone from Executive Relations will get back to you in the next day and the Genius Bar/retail people can stick it.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I've basically figured out that every single problem I have personally witnessed with OSX has involved:

1) yes, that vital odd-third-digit as mentioned above
2) ITUNES

The computer was wanky to begin with (a brand new out-of-the-box no programs added computer shouldn't be refusing to wake up from sleep?) but as soon as we opened ITUNES for the first time IT STARTED EATING ITSELF ALIVE WTF? I just laugh at it at this point, especially when it wouldn't even accept the system disks or open in safe mode anymore :D

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, guys I totally agree with you about iPhoto being a slow turd now!

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit, I still have the version that tells me I should upgrade to the newest iLife. It's faster than that one, right?

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah flickr + ringo punch iPhoto in its big stupid nuts

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I should have just taken the box in for a replacement as soon as Terminal proved unable to launch

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

was waiting for you to show up and tell me something like how if I don't like listening to oakenfold over the phone I should just stay away from nextstep-based OSes

also: ho sanp!!!!

serious answer: Yes, I have definitely noticed an amazing increase in hardware failure with recent-er Apple products (by recent-er I mean last 3-4 years seeing rapid upswing in lemons and really manky systems incompatibility--we have a friend who went thru 3 of the latest iMacs before getting one that actually worked*)

xposts haha I told you about iPhoto!!

*ps if our replacement one breaks, Tom, you are NOT AUTHORIZED to get another one and instead we will harrass them for refunds and get something else because that is just not worth my tax dollars.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, hahaha that was pretty funny when it refused to open Terminal anymore, the look on your face was pretty priceless :D

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

pix plz

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd never buy another Apple product if not for OS X. I hate the branding, I hate Steve Jobs, I hate the customer service, I hate the Apple tax, I hate the idea that PLAIN GLOSSY WHITE is some kind of design masterstroke, I hate the fact that I've yet to get a computer from them that didn't fuck up in some way - the company as a whole and its consumer strategy gives me the creeps.

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.


Also, Aperture 1.1 is a giant, overpriced piece of shit. A complete waste of $149 for me - Lightroom is a little slower, but it's currently free and actually gets my white balance right every time.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.

This is pretty much the most OTM thing on this, my favorite thread ever.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm convinced the problem is the laptop design/production? I've had Mac desktops forever and never had any physical problems. I had a beige G3 running for years past it's use, and I have one of the first single processor G5s and it's fine. Then I come here and hear nothing about complaints about portables.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The laptops are the worst - let's not worry about heat and usability, so long as we can advertise that we're ONE INCH THICK, because all those two-inch thick laptops are so difficult to use.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

But I also had a Quicksilver G4 with a bad hard-drive (not really Apple's fault, but they tried to charge me $50 to talk to someone on the phone getting it replaced, asshats), my G5 tower had problems with sleeping and randomly turning itself off, and there were a lot of problems with the first iMac G5s.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the computer in question that refuses to even accept sys disks at this point is an iMac, not a laptop. My sometimes-refuses-to-wake-up also-it-ate-my-iPod laptop is preferable in performance.

Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/dell%20banger2.jpg
^ DELL

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

haha the butler

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the dual-core Dell laptop my job gave me.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I should have just taken the box in for a replacement as soon as Terminal proved unable to launch
-- TOMBOT (tombo...), Today.

how can terminal fail when the os is on? that's bizarre

and tell me what is wrong with 10.4.7 because i just upgraded

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

aye, i've had no trouble with 10.4.7 ... yet ... my bouncy dashboard ball needed an upgrade, but it's been plain sailing since then. 12 days' uptime, and i think that's since i upgraded.

[touches wood] ... i've been very lucky with my apple hardware, i guess. i've had, what ... one powerbook 5300, one iMac DVSE, this here 12" G4 PowerBook, a first-gen iPod, a second-gen iPod and an iPod shuffle. the only one that isn't still working is the first iPod, and that's my fault for dropping it. yes: even the 5300 still works, 10 years since i bought it. and it's had a fucking ceiling collapse on it.

i'm tempting fate here, i know. perhaps i'm just stealing everyone else's apple karma. i dunno.

what i will say is that my PB5300 was one of the last they ever made (srsly: the fucker got phased out about a week after i took delivery). i've never been an early adopter [1] and p'raps that's the key.

or perhaps i'm just a jammy get.

[1] except with the iPod. and the shuffle. the latter, i have to admit, can display slightly shonkular behaviour at times, especially for something so bloody simple.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link


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