(BTW I realised a few years ago that in a single word 'thrill-power' is what I am looking for from pop, TV and indeed most art. It is in general sorely lacking.)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Joe Kelly's a guy who has nice ideas, but most of the time their impact gets diminished because of his lackings as a writer.
― iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Remove the "fantastic gonzo whacked out" section and you're basically describing Scott Lobdell to a T.
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
So much of Marvel's 1970s "auteur" comics had good-to-great basic theses, and great-to-awesome visualizations, but crap execution. I wish Marvel had the Killraven series to do over with Don McGregor plotting and anybody BUT McGregor writing.
― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
"Okay, guys, he's a man...with the powers of A SPIDER."
Or The Thing. Or Giant Man etc etc.
It's what is then invested in the character itself that is the hook. Which makes me think: is it possible in superhero stories for the "powers" angle to be utterly superfluous?
― steviespitfire (steviespitfire), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link
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― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link
You're right, this is especially notorious in the JLA run and Steampunk. His Superman stuff is much simpler and streamlined, and his Deadpool run wasn't really concerned with cramming a thousand ideas in the same panel.
― iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― steviespitfire (steviespitfire), Thursday, 13 October 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Late to the party as usual...
― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 13 October 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Most manga has no original ideas but makes up for it with incredible character development (which has NO parallel in western comics) and true graphical storytelling.
Anyway, as to balance: I reckon Bryan Talbot is under-rated here. "Heart of Empire" had a great balance of pace, drama and ideas. Plus fantastic art, obviously. His Nemesis work was decent too...
― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 14 October 2005 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 14 October 2005 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Friday, 14 October 2005 11:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Friday, 14 October 2005 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Did you mean to say "incredible character design"? Because most manga I've read features characters that are indeed well-fleshed out, but stay basically the same for hundreds or thousands of issues. Also, most mangas with a romantic theme or sub-theme (Ranma, Maison Ikkoku, Oh My Goddess, Outlanders, etc.) seem to be based on an endless variation of a single premise. I guess the fact that they can still stay somewhat interesting is proof for the importance of good story-telling skills, something that many manga artists indeed possess.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link
Hilarious take on ideas.
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