― jon (jon), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
not really long enough this thread...
what about
andy capp - pop a topking tubby - a rougher version
two dub tracks that seriously melt the fabric of reggae
― village idiot (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Is "Pop a Top" a hard, minimalistic dancehall track? If it is . . . was one of my favorite 45s until I lost it.
I suspect not. There's a review here:
http://www.smallaxepeople.com/thesmallaxepeoplereviews.htm
It sounds interesting.
Also, I think Dillinger, like, CB 200 and his other keyboard heavy, disco-y stuff, fits this "extraordinary reggae" description.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Burning Spear - 'doorpeep ' the late 60s single version. like something from another planet.
Most of Burning Spear's output sounds otherworldly
― Daniel Giraffe, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 07:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Where's Dr. C's LONG answer? I'd definitely like to read it.
― adamj, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:14 (fourteen years ago) link
"Pop A Top" is actually a very early dub single, but by comparison to later stuff it's completely bonkers.
― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Geoffrey Chung, UFO
^ more early use of synths
― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:22 (fourteen years ago) link
How could I forget!
Impact All Stars, Extraordinary Version
... has tape rewinding and various odd effects
― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, there's at least one Lee Perry track that's backwards... not to mention various of his tracks from the mid-70s using drum machines and rhythm boxes and samples from TV programmes
― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:28 (fourteen years ago) link
there was one lee perry production i heard that just stops completely, then gets ushered back in by that zombie/cow noise he's so fond of. I can't for the life of me find it again.
― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:48 (fourteen years ago) link
More from Scratch, "Cow Thief Skank" = splices together three different tracks, he did this on a few tracks but never so bizarrely as here. Also, can't remember the name of the track, but there's one where he (seamlessly) splices in a few bars from The Chi-Lites' "Give More Power to the People".
― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Isn't that Station Underground?
― Remember me, but o! forget my feet (GamalielRatsey), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link
That's the one
― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Both synth driven science-fiction instrumental reggae;
Along these lines, I once heard a reggae instrumental with R2D2 synths on it. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:36 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PURSWR3iwbQ
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Thursday, 8 April 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
LONG answer coming up at some point!― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, October 7, 2002
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, October 7, 2002
still waiting . . . want to read yr post!
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 9 May 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Dr. C, Dr. C., Dr. C.,paging Dr. C,, come back
― curmudgeon, Monday, 10 May 2010 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhhVg38nbyw&feature=related
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 05:40 (eleven years ago) link
Silly in a Paul McCartney's 'Ram'-style silly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ9xcEOTdaE
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 08:32 (eleven years ago) link
BTW Reggae fans... these compilations are fucking fabulous http://extramusicnew.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/nascente-pres-bass-culture-box-set/
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 09:57 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder whether this:
there was one lee perry production i heard that just stops completely, then gets ushered back in by that zombie/cow noise he's so fond of
was "Life" by Prodigal Creator off the back of (one of) the UK 12" issues of "Conscious Man" by the Jolly Brothers?
I wonder whether the "backwards" Perry thing Tom was thinking of was "Evol Yenoh", b-side of "Honey Love", same backing track but with the vocal track run backwards.
I wonder why I don't remember anything about this thread.
My offering: "Bubble Up" by Wayne Jarret, Wackies production, flutes sound like they're underwater (it's on the LP "Bubble Up" which was renamed "Showcase" for the reissue, or have I got that the wrong way round?).
― Tim, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 10:53 (eleven years ago) link
Oh and I kinda think everyone knows this but the fading in and out high pressure trombone on "Flat Foot Hustling" by Dillinger maybe fits the bill here.
― Tim, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 10:56 (eleven years ago) link
DL what's the mastering like on those Nascente comps? They look good to me (nice mix of stuff I know and stuff I don't) but so often with these not-too-pricey comps you get duff sound and so they just stay on the shelf.
― Tim, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:03 (eleven years ago) link
Sounds very very good. And yeah, even though I've got dozens of good reggae comps there's not that much crossover on these with what I already have and most of the songs are great!
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:05 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks!
― Tim, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:17 (eleven years ago) link
some of my favorites already posted. upsetters - lizard stick another good one, sounds like some kind-of alien reggae
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQt6TnkJkc
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
prob should mention the Serge Gainsbourg's "Aux Armes Et Caetera" here huh
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit at this Vulcans album mentioned in the initial post btw
― giallo pudding pops (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
Granny Danger - I'm a big fan of that Serge dub album.
What about '60s ska and rocksteady? I find a lot of Desmond Dekker's stuff extraordinary simply because of the phrasing and cadence he uses. Really imaginative structures that twist and turn like the human consciousness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaN2zlSc1yU
This is also on the Nascente comp and I love it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tkajISweIU
Not sure if they belong on here, but I find them extraordinary.
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 08:31 (eleven years ago) link
― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, April 7, 2010 6:22 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this track is tremendous
― mizzell, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Just realised the desmond dekker track I posted earlier is a new version with hardly any of the original's charm.
Here's the versh I was talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkfyzRI6S8
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
That's fantastic, dl - and with a lot of charm, as you say!
Also liked the UFO track - esp cos it uses that great Breakfast in Bed rhythm as a v effective ground.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 2 August 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-BwfPydP4
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Friday, 3 August 2012 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
Finding myself a little bored by searching out 'seminal' roots reggae, only to find it 80% of the time adhering to the same overall sound with minor variations (I love that sound, but.....), I'm on the prowl for more singular examples of reggae in the roots era, tracks that are strikingly different from the sonic norm, or suggest some unexplored furrow of 70s/early 80s Jamaican music.
the assumption is always that there *is* some unexplored furrow out there, and not just another rut
― the late great, Friday, 3 August 2012 05:19 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP6nuY5nipw
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 3 August 2012 06:12 (eleven years ago) link
Hmmm. I'd argue that some of this stuff isn't too "extraordinary," but there you go. I would suggest (though it's out-of-print) the excellent double CD on Trojan of Roy Shirley recordings called "Music Is The Key." He performed what was arguably the first rocksteady song, "Hold Them," produced by Joe Gibbs, and to some extent his only well-known song. But Shirley had an extraordinarily odd, quivery voice and was probably about ten years before his time (I shudder to think of what marvels Black Ark-era Lee Perry and him would have produced.) Check out this incredible bit of live footage (music starts at about 1:14, but the whole thing's cool):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNDXanDd8fg
The small local crowd is going nuts, and Shirley puts on a great performance. I especially love his song "My Bride," which is too odd to describe. Can't find it on YouTube, but it's on the Trojan compilation of his stuff.
Doctor Alimantado is pretty cool too. Famously championed by Johnny Rotten and quoted by the Clash ("like the doctor who was born for a purpose" in "Rudie Can't Fail"), Alimantado sang and toasted and squealed and most of it was pretty great. His classic is "Best Dressed Chicken In Town," a weird deejay tune in a dub style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu97ctxg8hk
But I also like the straight forward roots of "Born For A Purpose," which is probably his most famous tune - a more frenetic and dubby version of something like a GG Alvin-produced Gregory Isaacs track, it defies a lot of the convention of its time by being very metronomic and still kind of loony:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pIONWxTbs&feature=related
George Faith's "To Be A Lover" album is a classic Black Ark production, but differs from others of the era (Congos, Jolly Brothers, Junior Murvin) in being highly indebted to southern soul (he covers William Bell and Lee Dorsey, among others) but not really sounding anything like it. Pretty widely available too, which is a plus. Check out the title track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYVfzUNGec
Joe Gibbs' mid-70s dub stuff really stood out for its intense rhythms (here, I think is one of Adrian Sherwood's big influences), weird sound effects and general grooviness. Any of the four volumes of "African Dub Almighty" are great, but the third is the ultimate one, and the Pressure Sounds "No Bones For Dogs" release is chock full of great stuff.
here's a great track from the third "African Dub Almighty" album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2rBi_L4NKc
There's a period of Mikey Dread's career where he was the leading *original* roots producer, which is probably best heard on "World War III" or "Beyond World War III," which are more or less the same album. One of them is still easy to get. Here's the title track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ3XAobAHVw
― crustaceanrebel, Friday, 3 August 2012 06:14 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjpzL5Ow9qY
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 3 August 2012 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rB8mp-K6fk
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 3 August 2012 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
speaking of mikey dread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJxB2xIAN28
― the late great, Friday, 3 August 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHDT0CoXeJ8
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 3 August 2012 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
I've been listening to this one all night. Might just fit here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKjNLMKpyA
― Moka, Friday, 3 August 2012 07:53 (eleven years ago) link
And its dub but Scientist meets the Space Invaders is in line with op.
― Moka, Friday, 3 August 2012 07:55 (eleven years ago) link
that Roy Shirley clip upthread is great
second the Best Dressed Chicken in Town rec, that album is amazing
― giallo pudding pops (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3JYo7ECP_vo/RxuiWaiEudI/AAAAAAAAAEA/zag2DeaOABQ/s320/African+Roots.jpg
^love this
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
So I mentioned the Bass Culture comps on Nascente upthread and I was so taken by them I wrote this gushing review on the Quietus http://thequietus.com/articles/09951-bass-culture-compilation-review
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 6 September 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
MAybe not 'extraordinary' but extraordinarily great. Just played this 4 times in a row.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCT7PY4KrU
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Thursday, 13 September 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
moka, was going to post "golden hen", you beat me to it....
― m0stlyClean, Friday, 14 September 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
Lots of Keith Hudson is extraordinary but I'm No Fool came on random today and it made me think of this thread.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 14 September 2012 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
i don't even understand this thread but here's a couple tracks i've always felt were on their own particular vibe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl8922mn6X8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wwj7T2hEv4
― the late great, Friday, 14 September 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
huh I didn't know that Wayne Jarrett thx for the heads up on that one
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link
that trinity album is so dope
― marcos, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
B&F delivers yet again
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
whoah @ the acid rock fuzz guitar on this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqakUaCJQMs
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:04 (eight years ago) link
thanks all!!
― canoon fooder (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-3KPnJFStI
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
I fell off the reggae reissue bandwagon years ago, but I picked up an album from Pressure Sounds the other day and immediately thought of this thread (which in my mind is basically for ~weird~ reggae): I-Mo-Jah's Rockers from the Land of Reggae: https://pressuresounds.bandcamp.com/album/rockers-from-the-land-of-reggae.
It has a scrappy, shambolic sound that reminds me of late Keith Hudson, Wackies, and Black Ark era Lee Perry (it's from 1982). I'm also reminded that PS started as a subsidiary of On-U Sound.
― rob, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
Cool!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
rereading that post, I worry I'm overselling it with those three comparisons, but it's def worth checking out and if nothing else it makes me wish there were more backing choruses in reggae (and more women's voices in general)
― rob, Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
I highly recommend reading the chapter on Pressure Sounds in Ian Preece's book "Listening to the Wind: Encounters with 21st Century Independent Record Labels". Pete Holdsworth who has been running the label since it's beginning is quite a character. Seems like he fell out with Adrian Sherwood a couple of times over the years:
"After a period of time, Adrian and me, we were getting on each other's nerves. He started collecting antique teapots. Bless him, in a way, he is what he is, he grew up in the home counties..."
I will check out Rockers from the Land of Reggae. Santic & Friends is my favourite PS release. I believe there is a second volume which is as good.
― millmeister, Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
that book looks cool, thanks! iirc Blood & Fire had all kinds of weird drama going on too
― rob, Sunday, 28 June 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link
And yeah "Down Santic Way" is pretty dope. Honestly, PS never got the love B&F did, but their discography is extremely consistent (though I only know it up until PS65 or so). I also picked up Rubadub Revolution—Bunny Lee productions in the "rub a dub" era—but haven't given it a close listen yet.
― rob, Sunday, 28 June 2020 21:42 (three years ago) link
Here's a playlist of personal dub/DJ/reggae faves. I find a lot of dub gets boring or falls into formula, but these are the ones I find to be remarkable. Any suggestions for additions welcome
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4cfUquzRvYiuEpdIeXUmSC?si=CJoBAxcWRZinEaaJrVJVnA
― Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 15:06 (three years ago) link
got some good ones I know and some I don't (though good chance I've heard before...who can remember dub track titles??).
Some suggestions:Think you need some more Scientist! If we're going for more atypical dub, I'd suggest "Clean Hands and Pure Heart""Melody Maker - Version 2: Harmonica and Bongo Dub" - Chuckles & Keith HudsonAnd a track from "No Protection" wouldn't hurt would it?Okinawan dub: "Tinsagu Nu Hana Dub" - Ryuku Underground"Dub Plate Pressure" - Lee Perry"Bad Things Dub" - Keith Hudson"Planet Dub" - Harry Mudie/King Tubby"Jam Love Dub" - Prince Douglas"Private Armies Dub" - Vivien Goldman"In tha Mix" - Dennis Bovell
Going to look up the ones in your list I'm not familiar with
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 10 September 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
ha both Joe Gibbs and King Tubby have albums titled "Majestic Dub". What is it you were saying about dub falling into a formula?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 10 September 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
Nice one. thanks GD. I'll check these out
― Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
Any more vintage dub tunes that answer logical paradoxes in set theory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2n9vxnfQ9w
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
I can offer you a disquisition on the effects on Jamaica’s balance of trade from a particular industry, on the same rhythm. Less extraordinary though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFiME45734
― Tim, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link
Cameroonian reggae anyone?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOvL0P2Says
Pasteur Lappe - Babette D'o (Rastawoman)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 18:11 (two years ago) link
https://assets.themodernhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/67WorningtonRd_JSouteyrat-2400px-14431-1600x1067.jpg
just saw this on the modern house
― Indexed, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 13:53 (one year ago) link
Cool place! But omg that price is insane.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 15:55 (one year ago) link
The illuminated "prescriptions" sign in the next room is some try-hard "I love drugs me" bullshit but I cannot lie I love most of the decor
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
framed copies of bob marley legend, harder they come and two sevens clash? i’m not sure you could get more basic if you tried, even allowing for that ugly ass decor.
― the late great, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 17:10 (one year ago) link
save that framing records shit for your pizza parlor or something, what a waste
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link
I mean I agree there too, records should be on your turntable or in your rack, not on your wall
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:56 (one year ago) link
Also p sure one of those Marley records is some 21st century compilation, but when I catch myself even starting to sneer at such behaviour I quicly realise it's me who's being the asshole
But also reggae sleeves can be absolutely majestic, these are not they. I could understand wanting to frame, say, Dread In A Babylon.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link
fwiw there's a jamaican flag on the wall in another room. maybe they don't even own a record player. who cares.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
honestly sneering on the internet at ppl who chooseto advertise their terrible taste (whether in interior design or reggae albums) is pretty low in the hierarchy of my asshole-ish behaviors and one i’m happy to continue indulging in
besides imo if you spend 2.5M to gussy up a shoebox w modernist glass, metal siding and wood paneling and then stick a bunch of thrift store reggae records - framed, at that! - in frames on the wall, you’re the asshole. although, in their defense, i did spy a soul jazz comp, plus i guess the thrift store reggae finds match the thrift store furniture
― the late great, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link
or maybe i’m the asshole for not editing my posts better, who knows?
― the late great, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 19:15 (one year ago) link
records in frames just looks weird and stupid to me, maybe if they were signed or something? who cares indeed
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:12 (one year ago) link
idgaf about taste i sneer at people for being rich bourgeois scumbags.
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:16 (one year ago) link
anyway bummer revive
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:17 (one year ago) link
Where are you finding reggae in a thrift shop? All I can find is Al Hirt all over the damn place.
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 13 October 2022 01:54 (one year ago) link
That Lacksley Castell album is great.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 13 October 2022 07:46 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YJB1g57bTk
Lee 'Scratch' Perry - not super extraordinary by Scratch's standards but could be the only reggae tune that has a sneeze in it
― paolo, Thursday, 13 October 2022 07:56 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIq23AiLlJs
From the same album, this one is extraordinary because it could be the only reggae tune that has the word 'clammy' in the lyrics. Unless I'm mishearing the chorus. Which is possible
― paolo, Thursday, 13 October 2022 07:58 (one year ago) link
YouTube recommended me some 'non-metal albums for metalheads' vid for some reason and Return of the Super Ape was in the thumbnail
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:34 (one year ago) link
roy smith - “bondage”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGJdgVnx0dE
― brimstead, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 00:18 (nine months ago) link
That is some extraordinary reggae.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 July 2023 11:29 (nine months ago) link
Yeah that's great!
― Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Thursday, 20 July 2023 09:52 (nine months ago) link
The guitar part in Skinhead Moonstomp which seems to be trying to experiment with slide in a minimal way and may sound more fitting in a spacerock or noise lphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVTI7mR4GJI
I heard it on a compilation set a couple of weeks ago and it stood out at the time and I've wondered if there was a widely known backstory to it since. seems a bit avant or cod avant for a band of the ilk to be playing at the time. Sounds like the connecting bits in a wilder exploration by somebody like Hendrix or similar from the more psychedelic scene around the time it was recorded in 1970
― Stevo, Thursday, 20 July 2023 10:32 (nine months ago) link