Tango in the Night POLL (Fleetwood Mac)

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I wasn't talking about equality in duds, Alfred. Equality in peaks!

Buckingham kind of owned Tusk and Mirage, and Tango was the return of everyone having not only stellar singles, but also pretty good deeper cuts too.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 20 July 2007 01:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oops! I keep forgetting to hit the BBcode button.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 20 July 2007 01:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Alfred I can't believe you list the excellent "Empire State" rather than "Oh Diane" as Buckingham's dud on Mirage!

As for Tango in the Night, I've been very partial to "Isn't It Midnight" recently. After that I'd probably plump for "Caroline".

Couldn't vote for "Big Love" only because the live acoustic version is so much better.

"Seven Wonders" is Stevie's weakest big single and the album tracks are her weakest album tracks.

Tim F, Friday, 20 July 2007 04:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

For feel, I love "Mystified" best--not the album's strongest song, but what a gorgeous sound. Between that, "Little Lies" and "Everywhere." (I guess on this particular album I like McVie's stuff the best.)

sw00ds, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

As for Tango in the Night, I've been very partial to "Isn't It Midnight" recently

I used to be, but there's a tension between Buckingham's raunchy valedictory solo and the programmed percussion and chimes that's never quite resolved.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

tim mostly otm, but i like 'everywhere' best

electricsound, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes "Everywhere" is brilliant. I was very annoyed when someone made a swirly house-pop cover version, only because I felt they'd stolen my idea and not done as good a job with it as I would have done.

I should note that I find it odd when people say this album is more idiosyncratic than Mirage. I guess the production has that whole pristine rainforest feel to it, but Buckingham's songs are so much more straightforward than on Mirage, and he's even got that smooth 80s vocalist vibe going on. Surely the whole point of the album is that it unambiguously goes for the pop jugular?

Can't say I'm too partial to "Family Man", which feels like such a pointless wisp of a song, although the guitar bits are excellent.

"there's a tension between Buckingham's raunchy valedictory solo and the programmed percussion and chimes that's never quite resolved."

Ha ha this sounds like an argument for the song's greatness. But i think I particularly love the new wave sheen to Christine's vocals.

Tim F, Friday, 20 July 2007 17:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

This was my first FM record. Took me more than a decade to get the others (read: classics). I honestly can't remember much from the album even though I did play it on repeat for weeks. Hmm.

stevienixed, Friday, 20 July 2007 17:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Al-FRED. How could you possibly say I know I'm not wrong is a dud? The chorus alone is so elegant, the way it deflects the melody just a bit to the side instead of forcing a hook. And it works! Its the perfect new-wavey Beach Boys pastiche. Explain yourself please! (not too well though, I'd like to continue liking it!)

I know, right?, Friday, 20 July 2007 20:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I suppose I can't, but of many fascinating Buckingham songs it's not my favorite. The introduction, for instance, reminds me too much of my beloved "Not That funny."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 20 July 2007 20:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also: when on earth are we getting remastered versions of this and Mirage? Anyone heard any of Tango's b-sides??

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 20 July 2007 20:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

But they're sister songs, Not that funny has almost the same music and chorus and don't they both contain the "here comes the night time" bridge?

I know, right?, Friday, 20 July 2007 20:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've never heard Mirage. Would kill to. But i've never even seen it for sale. I'm gonna have to amazon the thing soon.

I know, right?, Friday, 20 July 2007 20:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Little Lies". Do it for me. Honestly.

t**t, Friday, 20 July 2007 21:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the b-side to "7 wonders" is a pretty cool instrumental, "book of miracles" i think it's called. sounds like christine wrote it. it's nice.

creme1, Friday, 20 July 2007 22:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Little Lies" is the best thing Fleetwood Mac did ever do. Thus, my pick is easy even though "Tango In The Night" had lots of strong tracks.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 20 July 2007 22:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the b-side to "7 wonders" is a pretty cool instrumental, "book of miracles" i think it's called. sounds like christine wrote it. it's nice

Oooh!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 20 July 2007 22:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

At the moment I'm leaning towards Everywhere, it might be McVie's best ever, after Over & Over of course.

I know, right?, Friday, 20 July 2007 22:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lots of Lindsey being very Lindsey on the production as well.

I know, right?, Friday, 20 July 2007 22:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

About this album gets the same HDCD treatment their three late 70s albums got. It's better than all of them.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 21 July 2007 00:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lolz

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 23:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

This may sound even better.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 21 July 2007 23:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

little lies

stephen, Sunday, 22 July 2007 00:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

LULZ I'd forgotten how lame Lindsey's replacements were. xxp

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 22 July 2007 01:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ha ha ha that Kids Inc. one is especially great since that's FERGIE.

Phil D., Sunday, 22 July 2007 02:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Sunday, 22 July 2007 23:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

LULZ I'd forgotten how lame Lindsey's replacements were. xxp

Lindsey once said, "At least it took TWO guitarists to replace me, heh heh."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 22 July 2007 23:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Monday, 23 July 2007 23:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

C.McVie pwns all.

Steve Shasta, Monday, 23 July 2007 23:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The only surprise is how well "Welcome to the Room...Sara" did.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 July 2007 23:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Correct winner :)

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 00:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Seven Wonders" got NO VOTES?!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 00:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh shit I forgot to actually vote for "Isn't It Midnight".

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 00:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Seriously, seven people think "Welcome to the Room... Sara" is the best song on this album? Surely these people have not actually heard it and are just assuming any Stevie song with the name "Sara" in it must be good?

It is awful.

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 00:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Shame to see "Family Man" getting no love.

Bodrick III, Saturday, 19 April 2008 17:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

just picked this up for £1 + i love it even more than i remembered but wtf at 7 votes for welcome to the room sara!?!!

just sayin, Saturday, 5 September 2009 14:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

2. "Seven Wonders" (Stewart, Nicks) – 3:38 0

This is one of the fuckedest things in the history of ILM polls.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 5 September 2009 14:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

otm

just sayin, Saturday, 5 September 2009 14:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

wtf at 7 votes for welcome to the room sara!?!!

The seven core members of ilm's Stevie stans, innit.

DavidM, Saturday, 5 September 2009 14:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah but what's weird is that it's the worst of her three songs on there. Voting for it seems terribly perverse.

Tim F, Saturday, 5 September 2009 15:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

exactly!! it cant just be abt stevie nicks fans

just sayin, Saturday, 5 September 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's NOT worse than "When Will I See You"!

WASSA MADDA BABY....BABY...BAY-BEE....BABY!

My life is butthurt so badly (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 September 2009 17:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i also picked this up recently and was surprised at how amazing it still sounds. "caroline" in particular deserves more love

psychgawsple, Sunday, 6 September 2009 04:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think this could be stevie nicks' worst contributions to any record she's been involved with imo

i wonder how many of the people who voted for "welcome.." are mixing it up with "sara" from tusk

surfin on my face (electricsound), Sunday, 6 September 2009 05:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

" "caroline" in particular deserves more love"

this is spot on.

My issue with "Welcome To The Room... Sara" is that it sounds like a parody song, like something from that French & Saunders send up of Fleetwood Mac. It actively undermines all of Stevie's signature tricks. "When Will I See You" is merely weak.

Nicks' songs are amazingly strong on Say You Will, but then I've not heard the stuff she's done between the two albums.

Tim F, Sunday, 6 September 2009 10:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Like Bella Donna, Trouble in Shangri-La, etc? If you like Nicks, you'll love the albums, but outside maybe one or two tracks (Nomad, maybe?) nothing really knock-out there.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 September 2009 10:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know Bella Donna, The Wild Heart and Rock Little, just none after that.

But then I rarely listen to those ones much. What's interesting about Nicks is that she really does work so well as a group player, even though her songwriting style would never suggest it. The half of Say You Will she contributes is possibly as much Nicks as I'd really want in one sitting.

Tim F, Sunday, 6 September 2009 10:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

CAROLINE

wilter, Thursday, 3 June 2010 10:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

all the "ooh ah"s in "big love" are still bizarre

kamerad, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Seven Wonders is pretty good, deserved a vote imo.

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

"running up that hill" is already v v horny
xp

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:21 (four months ago) Permalink

but "big love" is def kate bushy and why i think it is dope af

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:21 (four months ago) Permalink

can we ban "Miami Vice production" as criticism and phrase?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:43 (four months ago) Permalink

i'd like to suggest instead that it's lindsey's horny version of "running up that hill"

― princess of hell (BradNelson),

I'd long thought "Caroline" was but otm

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:44 (four months ago) Permalink

can we ban "Miami Vice production" as criticism and phrase?

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:43 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, if anything it should be projected on the walls of every recording studio as a deterrent

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:58 (four months ago) Permalink

feel free to substitute "VHS cover meme"

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:58 (four months ago) Permalink

alfred, thanks for the tip on little lies extended mix - have to hear that

sleepy sweet (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:04 (four months ago) Permalink

The term "Miami Vice production" as a catch-all name for mid-to-late '80s production trends is useless, anyway.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:06 (four months ago) Permalink

Miami Vice used Bryan Ferry and Andy Taylor in its soundtracks: two distinct hair visions for the eighties.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:07 (four months ago) Permalink

I mean sure, you can tell that Tango in the Night, No Jacket Required, Born in the U.S.A. and Songs from the Big Chair all came out in the same decade, but the productions are still different from one another.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:09 (four months ago) Permalink

Also, I can't believe we're in 2018 and we're still seeing '80s records being criticised for sounding like records that were made in the '80s.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:11 (four months ago) Permalink

I was thinking more of modern-day records that strive to sound dated

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:23 (four months ago) Permalink

Yet it's perfectly acceptable for Guided by Voices to record on 4-tracks and The White Stripes to record on old analogue equipment?

"Dated" isn't a pejorative, btw.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:08 (four months ago) Permalink

it is a sound I find highly unpleasant to listen to, how's that

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:11 (four months ago) Permalink

That's better!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Framing "Big Love" as a missed opportunity presupposes that the live version had some notional existence at the time the original was composed - is there any evidence of that? I agree that Buckingham's live version is spellbinding, when I saw them live a few years ago it was the one moment of the show that gave me a chill even though I knew what was coming. But I've always assumed it was something that Buckingham developed after the fact. I'm just happy both versions of the song exist.

Tim F, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:10 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't think the studio version of 'Big Love' was a missed opportunity at all. The live version is indeed great, but the studio version still holds up.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:14 (four months ago) Permalink

Obviously the other thing about Tango is that it's a front to back production masterpiece that feels totally one of a kind and cohesive* so the idea of wanting to swap out some of its rococo excesses and make it less "Miami Vice" feels like a violence to me. If ever there was a record where "sounding like Miami Vice" was elevated to the level of vital ontology it was this one.

*except where Stevie's songs fall over.

Tim F, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:18 (four months ago) Permalink

in time this has become my favourite mac record

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:19 (four months ago) Permalink

er next time to mirage

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Another issue that I have with this whole "sounding like Miami Vice" bullshit is that Tango in the Night doesn't sound like Miami Vice at all.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:24 (four months ago) Permalink

otm

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:25 (four months ago) Permalink

Tim F OTM about the quality of the production on this record, though - although I don't think the production is overstuffed or even excessive. I can think of far, far, far worse examples of heavy handed '80s production.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Seriously, this isn't even that "80s."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:29 (four months ago) Permalink

Are there even snares that go "poosh?"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:29 (four months ago) Permalink

The snare sounds are quite tasteful across most of the record, thinking about it - I can't think of any moments where cavernous reverb is applied or any excessive gated reverbs.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:33 (four months ago) Permalink

I guess Isn't It Midnight is pretty 80s, right down to the tempo.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:34 (four months ago) Permalink

The production on this record is '80s, though - it couldn't possibly be placed in any other decade - it just uses the trends of the time tastefully instead of in an OTT way like others did.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:38 (four months ago) Permalink

agreed. this record sounds super nice, not to simplify it - but yeah

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:38 (four months ago) Permalink

It's basically the 80s way of making a record sound 70s dry, when most 80s signifiers lean hard on the studio mush.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:41 (four months ago) Permalink

"isn't it midnight" is like "what if the heart s/t were tasteful," a great question with a great answer

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:43 (four months ago) Permalink

I dunno, the pristine digital quality of the overall sound and the programmed, layered nature of the production and the keyboard sounds used and the precise, automated nature of the mixes place this square in '80s territory for me, even without the massive reverbs. It has more in common with Brothers in Arms than it does No Jacket Required.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:47 (four months ago) Permalink

As for the drumming on 'Big Love', my guess is the same as Josh's in that I think it's actually a combination of programming and overdubbed drum parts. My guess is that Buckingham laid down a basic drum machine part as a guide (to get the timing tight) and built the track up from that, and then got Mick to overdub toms, "real" snare fills, cymbal washes etc. It's possible that the guide track was replaced eventually, but it doesn't sound like it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:00 (four months ago) Permalink

If anything that's another intriguing data point in favor of the production: it's hard to tell what is programmed and what is Mick fuckin' Fleetwood.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Big Love is all about the Balearic masterpiece of a remix by Arthur baker imo

i know kore-eda (or something), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:34 (four months ago) Permalink

*except where Stevie's songs fall over.

uh whassamatta. baby.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:42 (four months ago) Permalink

That alt Mystified is pretty awesome and weird, though there's a single recurring drum sound in it that I'm finding crazily distracting.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:42 (four months ago) Permalink

Framing "Big Love" as a missed opportunity presupposes that the live version had some notional existence at the time the original was composed - is there any evidence of that?

In this interview he talks about Big Love being about "the potential of a single guitar doing the work of a whole track", so that tells me he might have written it that way first, then added all the other elements later in the process

https://youtu.be/iBSWt0b4K8E?t=71

enochroot, Friday, 3 August 2018 01:45 (four months ago) Permalink

and the dream says I WANT YOU
and the dream is gone

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2018 02:06 (four months ago) Permalink

I never ever ever got burned out on 80s production styles/techniques. 90s and 00s, almost immediately.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 3 August 2018 02:21 (four months ago) Permalink

If anything, my appreciation for the technical skill of '80s production has only increased with time. There were a lot of legitimately stunning production achievements in the '80s. Of course, there are many examples of the trends of the time done badly, but that exists in every decade.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 3 August 2018 06:24 (four months ago) Permalink


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