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― Huck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, I was just gonna say that Michael's "Old Man" description still makes it sound astoundingly prescient from a hip-hop perspective. How often did people do ANYTHING like that, in the pre-rap years??
― chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Chuck, you'll be amused to know Mr. Miccio parodied your style brilliantly here -- down to the brackets.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link
-- chuck (cedd...) (webmail), July 29th, 2004 12:33 PM. (later) (link)
"deck of cards"!
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bum Lik-King Fargit (bumlikkingfargit), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
-- chuck
I totally agree with this. Kids making their own world in a decaying city has become a theme of early hip-hop & that was definitely true of the Cosby Show.
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
this reminded me of how awesome bill cosby is.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:48 (nineteen years ago) link
That was the first movie I saw alone in a theater (7 1/2 years old). My mom periodically checked in on me and brought me chocolate chip cookies.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 30 July 2004 08:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― anthony, Friday, 30 July 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
OT, I know, but there is an entire series out there called "Classroom Scare Films". I wonder how the crack films compare to the LSD ones we had to watch. "Dead is Dead" - that's not the one where the kid is in his coffin but doesn't realize he's dead, is it?
― Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Hey Cosby, how about taking your message into the projects, instead of speaking at colleges? His whole "black man, help yourself" screed doesn't play out as well when he's telling it to people with degrees.
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Curious. When was the last time that he actually taught a class of kids? And since educators tend to use music lyrics to educate their students these days, hip hop isn't totally useless.
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Saturday, 31 July 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 31 July 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link
eh?
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link
It's ridiculous. People have been going to the movies to see sex and violence and various extreme situations for a hundred years now, and has it totally destroyed our Social Fabric? Sure, many American black people indulge in the stupidest things and maybe they ought to be reading Henry James and rebuiding their neighborhoods...in fact, many of them are engaged in rebuilding their communities. The problems many non-rich folks in this country face have far less to do with pop culture than with deep systemic problems in the larger culture. Bill Cosby may have been a funny guy at one time but he really needs to shut the fuck up.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 1 August 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link
omigod talking so much shit on Tim Russert's show now...
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 14 October 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Cosby is seemingly fourteen months away from having a O'Reilly/Glen Beck/Lou Dobbsesque talk show.
― Cunga, Sunday, 14 October 2007 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
http://funky16corners.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/bill-cosby-funky-north-phildelphia/
http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2007/10/music-for-monday-hooray-for-salvation.html
― xhuxk, Sunday, 14 October 2007 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link
http://christonium.com/politicalmusings/ItemID=11923775652574
Bill Cosby says the audience for Gangster Rap is made up mostly of Whites. This adds to the negative stereotype for Blacks. The "Gangster Rappers" use of negative stereotype comments in their videos provide the opportunity for young whites to use those very same words, "N" words.
Dr. Poussaint talks of "values" having been corrupted. The lyrics in the rap music and videos portray young blacks as unimportant. This prevails throughout the black community.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 October 2007 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought it was meant to signify that the wearer enjoyed phil collins and showed up late to appointments
― and what, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link
"for eazy access baby"
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link
you been holdin' that one in for over 24 hours huh eth
― J0hn D., Friday, 26 October 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"No no, see, when someone says 'who is it', you're supposed to say who it is!"
(knock knock)
"Who is it?"
'WHO IT IS!'
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link
john at the risk of getting ultra-flamed by you I don't think it's your place to school a black artist on how to represent himself - hate if you gotta hate, whatever, but when a white writer starts telling a black artist what his community responsibilities are...shit man I can't see you putting up with that from somebody else!
-- and what, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:24 (1 month ago) Link
You can't really talk about this as though it were just "black artists" and "how they represent themselves." The industry has a good deal of say in how major rappers come across, what they rap about, how they act in videos, etc. So although I don't dismiss mainstream rap on objection to the lyrics, an honest discussion of this has to reflect the larger forces at play, and saying a white writer has no right to criticize the lyrics of a "black artist," is avoiding that difficult issue.
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
ethan at the risk of getting ultra-flamed by you I don't think it's your place to school a black artist on how to represent himself - hate if you gotta hate, whatever, but when a white writer starts telling a black artist what his community responsibilities are...shit man I can't see you putting up with that from somebody else!
-- J0hn D., Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:16 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Link
― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
What's The Deal With Saul Williams?
― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Sorry, didn't see the first post. Point stands though.
I mean a lot of people in non-mainstream hip-hop, including black artists, blame the music industry for the way black people are portrayed in mainstream hip-hop, feeding to a mostly white audience a hyper-sexual, hyper-violent hyper-capitalist fantasy projected onto black people.
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
u really think i would use a word like 'ultra-flamed'
i dont give a fuck john hates on or not i think every head has got the right to tell artists what they wanna see them doing but i got the right to call it racist/corny/played/clueless/whatever
― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
And there is probably a big difference between Saul Williams, who I'd imagine has a great deal of say in how he represents himself, and mainstream hip-hop. I don't mean to say that mainstream rappers are all patsies either. A Jay-Z or a 50-Cent is obviously making a very clear choice, but that choice is based largely on what will make money, and they don't seem to particularly care if that feeds a negative stereotype. It's the system, man!
No, I don't really think you'd say that - sorry dude. Wasn't really trying to call you out as much as just call the whole debate out.
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link
oh fuck it http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/autaux?b=M%5ea11f09b8576e606bcb5038dfdb92fb821&u=http%3A%2F%2Fachewood.com%2Fcomic.php%3Fdate%3D12242007
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"mad-rutty" vs. "ultra-flamed"
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
And there is probably a big difference between Saul Williams, who I'd imagine has a great deal of say in how he represents himself
My Dearest Friends and Fans,
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― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
During the first Lollapalooza tour, Jane's Addiction brings out Ice-T to perform a rendition of Sly & the Family Stone's "Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey (Don't Call Me Whitey, Nigger)". Perry Farrell sings the white part, Ice-T sings the Black part. Black quartet Living Colour comes onstage afterward and bandleader Vernon Reid announces "I'll never be anyone's nigger for entertainment..."
― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I really hate being called whitey
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I really hate Achewood
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I love that story about Vernon Reid.
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Living Colour was my first show.
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link
i was never into living colour but that story is whats up
― and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:41 (sixteen years ago) link
ha same. Trent woulda been at that Lolla show, so it all comes full circle.
― bnw, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Well then.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
omg the last sentence
― HI DERE, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
laz112 said: I actually have this old album with Cosby and Quincy Jones. Cosby been rapping since before rap started yo. There is this one track called "Hicky Burr" he tore that shit down yo. I think it was released in 1974 or something.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Got a Cosby sweater Rep it cuz it's better Follow to the letter. Yo.
― novaheat, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Fingers crossed for a Jello reference
― remy bean, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
"They think they're hip. They can't read. They can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere."
with the laughing and the giggling and the jibber-jabber night-train going to nowhere
― remy bean, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
He's against laughter now?
― dad a, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
The beef is on (maybe).
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link
okay at this point everyone involved just needs to stop
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Dyson is that dude, but I don't look forward to his mic moment.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
i saw michael eric dyson speak at my school a couple weeks ago, hes a supremely intelligent and dynamic guy and because i have a lot of respect for him i am just going to pretend that this doesnt exist
― max, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link
i took a class from that guy! the day michael jordan retired (the first time) prof dyson wore a bulls jersey under his tweed jacket
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Can we put together a rap album titled SHUT THE FUCK UP, BOTH OF YOU?
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
c'mon dan you don't want to hear cosby doing a bjork cover?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Only if it's "Ancestors" (or whatever the Gremlin-fucking song on Medulla is called).
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIBAWAneoo
― mark e, Friday, 25 April 2008 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link
omg flashbacks
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 April 2008 19:05 (sixteen years ago) link
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 25 April 2008 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Oof they've played this a bunch on KPFA recently.
― Sparkle Motion, Saturday, 26 April 2008 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^ Sooooo 1998.
― Bodrick III, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:30 (fifteen years ago) link