"Stephen Malkmus": "whimsical indie rock" or something greater?

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Church on White is heartbreaking, and Jenny and the Ess-Dog is a story song worth of Steely Dan....underrated record fer sure.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(and I know because I've been guilty of underrating it myself)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

his 2 solo albums > pavement's last 2 albums

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

God, Terror Twilight was so fucking good.

danh (danh), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeh, I liked Terror Twilight and BTC, but then I prefer Pavement's ballads to their abrasive rockers in general.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The whole album is excellent, especially the one about Yul Brunner.

Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

steve is a genius, pulling songs out of the divine Aether to share with a fortunate us. i don't think i could go a day without thinking about him and feeling privileged that God created him to share with us.

benton (jackcole), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

thank you for sharing your sweet thoughts of Him, dear Benton.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, "troubbble" is dope. the s/t album has a hanna barbera feel, very cartoon-like

russignon, Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

this record is too polished. polish suits some people, but it does not suit malkmus. shame, because it's as strong a set of *songs* as any of the pavement records.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

The first one just kind of sucks. I blame the band, a lack of space in the production and a couple of weak songs. Also, it's impossible to listen to without wishing Pavement was playing those songs. (Especially after watching the rehersals in slow century) Pig Lib is great. The band is a lot looser/tighter and it sounds good.

I'd say he's now cast himself as a whimsical indie rocker capable of greatness.

danh (danh), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

what's wrong with polish suits?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

are polish suits like early 19th century German paper?

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

what pleases me about the "stephen malkmus" cd is how unselfconscious it is... indie rock was proclaimed the deadest of horses around 2000-2001 [except for drum n bass maybe], but here's a brashly obvious indie rock record. apart from the intricate and modern [post "ok computer", i guess] production touches which start right away, it sounds more like something from 10 or 15 years before, like something by the connells or camper van beethoven, just more assured and mature and better...

where terror twilight's songs mostly had 2nd sections that got sort of proggy / bombastic, the 2nd sections on this are more concise and relaxed guitar excursions. like frank black's first solo record, the overriding motto can be summed up as "keep it small". but whereas frank black was responding to the grunge explosion he midwifed with an antithetical dinkiness and corniness - ie a sort of authentic non-commercialism, the malkmus record is responding to a suspicion among the entire community of indie musicians, fans, store & club owners and college stations that indie rock is dying out. this was a perverse sort of commercialism, an honest commercialism restricted to the smaller sweepstakes of little clubs and stores.

i think malkmus, more than anyone in the indie scene, has made his peace with hi-fi recording in a dignified and productive way - the production touches, thickness & gloss is consistently enjoyable, clever, musical and not overbearing.

there's a great variety to the songwriting tone - from totally silly jamz to totally heartfelt ballads to ambiguous maybe silly maybe serious heavy things, in the vein of wowee zowee and everything before that [the classic years]. but even the ballads don't stack up, church on white great as it is - the guitar bridge is his best since gold soundz - doesn't touch father to a sister, here, newark wilder, etc.

for me, tt > sm > pl > btc, but the last three are all pretty close.

mig (mig), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

wot's that last song on the first one? he should do a whole EP, or album, like that

duke last, Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

That "get me OUT of here! get me OUT of here!" crap that hinders "Jenny & The Ess Dog" basically sums up my whole problem with Malkie.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

he's the best dj ever.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

My two favorite SM songs so far are "Sin Taxi" and "Dynamic Calories," which are b-sides (and arguably the most Pavementy things he's done).

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh thank god, a TT support group. I always felt like a leper for thinking that Terror Twilight was great.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I taped over my copy of the first SM album. The only song I really actually enjoyed listening to was Church on White, the rest of the songs were just too... busy. Cluttered with guitar parts. And some of his lyrics - especially Jenny and the Ess-Dog and that Pirate Song were so insufferably smug and self-satisfied I just couldn't take it. It was like he lost all sense of subtlety and ambiguity and made these incredibly crappy story-songs with too many guitar solos. Blech. (I think Terror Twilight is okay and that Brighten the Corners is great - SM Suxx0r U ALL R GAY gygax!)

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

dynamic calories is great, fo' sho.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

his 2 solo albums > pavement's last 2 albums

NO

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

brighten the corners is pavement's best.
i sincerely believe this.

aa, Friday, 2 July 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I like "Dynamic Calories" and "Fractions and Feelings" (from the bonus CD that came with Pig Lib) better than any other Malkmus solo stuff.

alex in montreal, Friday, 16 July 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

This cover was purportedly considered for the s/t:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T3yPsQnwRo

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 31 March 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link

I like "Dynamic Calories" and "Fractions and Feelings" (from the bonus CD that came with Pig Lib) better than any other Malkmus solo stuff.
― alex in montreal, Friday, July 16, 2004 9:24 AM (thirteen years ago)

Seconded (13 yrs. later)

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link

those are fantastic songs. as is 'sin taxi'

loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Thursday, 5 April 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link

FSR I had an urge to hear that song "Do Not Feed the Oyster," so I dialed it up -- pretty jammin'!

(I do wish that the "Pig Lib" bonus EP was on Spotify, tho -- all those songs are gr8.)

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link

Found the traxx on YouseTube. I luv the solo/bridge/breakdown portions of "Old Jerry" so much (pretty much the entire 2nd half of the song).

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link

(Not all 5 traxx are up there; but I did find the original version of "The Poet and the Witch," by Mellow Candle, which is cool.)

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link


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