― RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 30 May 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link
He's got a new one but it's going to be very jazzy, not really aimed at a salsero audience but rather at a very mainstream jazz audience, with guests like Regina Carter and Michael Brecker.
(I'm sad that gareth has lost interest and moved on to flea market 70s Christian rock vinyl.)
― RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 18 June 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
HARLEM RIVER DRIVE
HEY !
― Ellis From Die Hard, Saturday, 18 June 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 June 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link
My favorite albums so far are:
Azucar Pa'ti (Sugar for You) (1965)Lo Que Traigo es Sabroso (1964)
[Those are both very early and the sound is especially bad, but the energy is good.]
Palo Pa' Rumba (1984)Unfinished Masterpiece (the last half of which is somewhat ruined by bad recording)Lucumi, Macumba, Voodoo (1978)
Vamonos Pa'l Monte (1976)La Verdad - The Truth (1987)
[I need to listen to these two again though. I've just heard a bunch of these for the first time recently and it's all a blur.]
And somewhat grudgingly:
Eddie Palmieri (1981) which I should love because it has three tracks featuring Cheo Feliciano, one of my favorite soneros, but I'm not totally bowled over by it. A lot of the songs have lengthy semi-classical danzon (recently mentioned on the genres that don't get discussed thread) type intros which isn't my favorite sound.
Justicia has some good stuff on it, but the political spoken word bag is a little passe.
― RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 4 July 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 4 July 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link
http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1RP1IBE3OSBVI2UGCIQCHAHAOB
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link
http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0HMGDZ0AWXWKY0F693ORI12PS9
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link
http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1GBBZ4JDRNYU70L5E9D9VS4RFZ
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Steve K (Steve K), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 July 2005 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 14 July 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 July 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 14 July 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
People asked about Charlie Palmieri earlier on this thread. On one listen, I'm pretty sure I like Charlie Palmieri Y Meñique: Con Salsa y Sabor (1977) and Charlie Palmieri Y Vitin Aviles: Con Mucha Salsa (1977) sounds good so far. Charanga Palmieri y la Duboney: Charanga! is not so much fun, but as I've repeatedly said, charanga usually rubs me the wrong way, especially relatively traditional charanga.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 August 2005 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 August 2005 10:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 August 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link
So he goes back a ways. (He might even have been a source for Cheo Feliciano's style.)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 August 2005 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 4 August 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link
1. Unfinished Masterpiece2. Azucar Pa' Ti (early material with La Perfecta)3. Palo Pa' Rumba (which includes a lot of covers of his earlier material, but all well done)
Unfortunately, all of these, except the third, suffer from very poor audio quality.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
(Hey FW, you should post comments about Palmieri to this thread.)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 May 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 May 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Sat., May 6, Allison Miner Music Heritage/Lagniappe Stage, 4 p.m. (interview w/ Palmieri); BellSouth/WWOZ Jazz Tent, 5:45 p.m. performance
Then he's touring the US again (I think). I know he's doing a bunch of nights in June at tiny Georgetown DC club Blues Alley
I think he's fun to watch live even if you don't like his noisy jazzy side. He is just quite a character...
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 5 May 2006 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
How is he a character? Those groaning noises?
I am surprised that gareth picked him, but I guess I shouldn't be!
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link
I will send some helpful links as well.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link
There are some fantastic passages and moments on this album, perhaps as intense as anything else in his catalog. I think it tends to be a bit overlooked because it's so oddball (for salsa, anyway): the Palmieri album with the most overt references to African-based religions also has the most overt disco moments, along with the occasional sudden appearance of European classical instruments seldom heard in Latin music.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
Hm, is The sun Of Latin Music an entirely different album from El Sol... , then?
― tiit (tiit), Friday, 15 September 2006 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 15 September 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005RYD2.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
(That's not exactly what the reissue will look like, but presumably close.)
― Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 February 2007 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link
Eddie Palmieri's Lucumi Macumba Voodoo is linked to here:
http://revolucionno.wordpress.com/
A must-hear album if you are interested in 70s Palmieri (and maybe if you are interested in weird late 70s Latin/disco fusions, not that that describes more than two or three tracks). I think I already gave my reasons above, and possibly on some other threads.
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Ellis From Die Hard, Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:33 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link
this
― deej, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 22:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Go download Lucumi Macumba Voodoo!
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
i will! when i'm not at work
― deej, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Revive just to say that Ellis is OTM and a half--that Harlem River Drive stuff is deathless. "Idle Hands" is my favorite song of all time, this week.
― ellaguru, Friday, 25 January 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Revive just to say I am listening once again to Azucar Pa' Ti, and the original La Perfecta albums have gradually become my favorite part of EP's output, though initially I didn't like them much.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 October 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Barry Rogers, man.
― Internet Looser (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 18 August 2011 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
Eddie Palmieri is playing this weekend (in Philadelphia) and I don't have tickets yet
Just saw him live again (this time at the Kennedy Center) and once again when someone yelled for something old with a clave beat he said he didn't have a singer, so he couldn't. It's pretty clear he doesn't really like playing with a singer anymore and is more comfortable with his current Latin jazz approach. ALthough he did let his timbales, bongos, and conga player get rhythmic at times with he accompanying them in a more straightforward manner. He's charismatic enough and such a good player that I genreally enjoy him live no matter what (although this 1 hour 15 minute gig that was being recorded for NPR could have used an encore and less of his explaining the history of salsa according to him)
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe he can make more money this way than he would having to pay a vocalist. Maybe he's spoiled from working with excellent vocalists over the years and is not interested in grooming a new young vocalist.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think its a money thing; I think its a music style thing--he doesn't want to have a vocalist standing around doing nothing when he decides to do noisy forearms on the keys solos
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe. Maybe, but on plenty of his 70s/early 80s salsa recordings (with vocalist) he goes into dissonant solo passages, but maybe not as extended as he likes to do? I don't know. I think I only saw him perform one time, back in 1998 (or 99?), and I was practically brand new to Latin music at that point. Mostly he was promoting El Rumbero Del Piano.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
I bet the whole thing is up on youtube, and you might as well listen to it that way considering how lo-fi the sound of the CD is. Here's "Cobarde":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeCR0es4Je8
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
Of course. will do
― curmudgeon, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
Found only one other song from the album so far, but need to look more. Wow, that one u posted is noisy and polyrhythmic.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 8 February 2013 11:24 (eleven years ago) link
It's not actually all that different, just maybe an extreme point in the 70s Palmieri sound. Also, as I said above, I hear Lucumi Macumba Voodoo as being pretty close. Not as raw, but also much better recorded.
I was just thinking lately about this funny post about that album:
Lucumi, Macumba Voodoo. Definitely one of his weirdest. To this day I never understood why? Why out of tune Cello's after that Brazilian rythm that starts off that weird modal piano solo, only to go into the son MI CONGO? Other than the heart of thsi song and Colombia Te Canto, I don't know what he was thinking with those other three tunes....
rec.music.afro-latin
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 8 February 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5z4gIg9wlQ
I still say rec.music.afro-latin was the best online discussion of Afro-Latin music I ever came across (as someone who only reads English, of course). It technically still exists but it's been essentially dead for many years. (Appropriate? Haha.) It was an education, and I assume I'll never be on the same level as most of the people who used to post to it. Also, for me personally, the timing was really good. I took my first salsa dance class in very late 1997. I started fooling around with newsgroups at around the same time, probably closer to 1998. (I was somewhat of a late adapter I guess.) The rise of the web happened to coincide with my entree into the world of Latin music and dance, and I think it helped speed up my learning curve (especially w/r/t the music).
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 8 February 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I missed out on that.
Unrelated-
Fania/Codigo keeps renaming a 2 cd Eddie Palmieri compilation. First they confusingly named it "The Sun of Latin Music" which is the name of an actual earlier Palmieri album, then they renamed it "A Man & his Music" and now its called "El Virtuoso"
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 10 February 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
Lol. Trying to be (Japanese band) Boris. Maybe they should call it Heavy Rocks.
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
I have that comp. A Man & His Music is the name of the whole series (the Celia Cruz & La Lupe ones are called A Woman & Her Music, the Sonora Ponceña and Fania All-Stars ones are called A Band & Their Music, obviously), and each one has an individual title as well. The Sun of Latin Music is (or was) the official title, and I guess now they've re-named it El Virtuoso.
― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
I bought the cd as a gift and it showed up as "El Virtuoso" although Amazon does not list it by that title (the songs and photo matches us with the older titles)
― curmudgeon, Monday, 11 February 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://lehmancenter.org/th_event/eddie-palimieri/
You New Yorkers should go up the Lehman College in the Bronx for this:
The maestro will be joined by Special Invited Guests Ronnie Cuber (Baritone Saxophone), Alfredo de la Fe (Violin), Donald Harrison (Alto Saxophone & Vocals), and Joe Locke (Vibes). Also joined by Invited Guests, Anthony Carrillo (Bongo, Bata), Luques Curtis (Bass), Vicente “Little Johnny” Rivero (Congas, Bata), and Camilo Molina (Timbales, Bata).
opening act:The Mambo Legends Orchestra is comprised of former members of the Tito Puente Orchestra. Led by famed bongocero Johnny “Dandy” Rodriguez and musically directed by timbalero and arranger José Madera, the band is dedicated to keeping the ‘50s and ‘60s Palladium-era sound alive as it explores new musical concepts
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 28 September 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
Would love to but don't think I can. Never seen Alfredo de la Fe in person.
― I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link
A local promoter brought de La Fe down to the DC area once and booked him in a tiny narrow little upscale lounge. Plus the promoter showed Fania era footage on a small screen beforehand. It was a great show.
Here's part of my 2008 review:
De La Fe waited until the third song, "La Negra Tomasa," to join the 10-piece combo. Juste Lounge does not have a stage, so the group positioned itself along a wall right in front of the salsa-dancing couples. Using his trademark electric violin that has six strings on a skeletal plastic frame, the dreadlocked De La Fe quickly made his presence felt, heading out among the dancers and passionately slashing at the strings with his bow. Keeping the interests of the rug-cutters in mind, De La Fe did not solo too long and was accompanied by the band's insistent clave beat via the timbales, congas, keyboard and bass. Although De La Fe has, rock-style, used a wah-wah petal, this evening he kept his technique within the bounds of the Afro-Caribbean tradition.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 28 September 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
That is awesome, thanks for posting.
― I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
Ben ratliff liked the show where Palmieri and an expanded group re-did his 1971 Harlem River Drive album, plus some other songs
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/arts/music/review-eddie-palmieri-reprises-a-tantalizing-harlem-river-drive.html?mabReward=CTM&moduleDetail=recommendations-0&action=click&contentCollection=Europe®ion=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article
On the record, he used a mixture of his own musicians with others who were working with Aretha Franklin. One of his own was the timbalero Nicky Marrero; one of Ms. Franklin’s was the drummer Bernard Purdie. Luckily, both were present for Saturday’s show, and important parts of it
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 13:35 (seven years ago) link
Lucumi, Macumba, Voodoo is available on Spotify now. It's flawed (in crazy ways) but has some great material on it:
https://play.spotify.com/album/6rkKQA8OiqgdIiT0DrUWWE?play=true&utm_source=open.spotify.com&utm_medium=open
Not 100% sure that link will work.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 August 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
It's a very well-recorded album compared to some of EP's albums from roughly the same time period, notably Unfinished Masterpiece, which was a bit of an audio botch.
I can do without the disco/fusion track or tracks, but the exploratory piano duel with his brother Charlie, and the other expansive stretches are good, as is the title cut (which I first heard as part of a station ID for WXPN in the 80s, without knowing who it was, many years before I ever got into salsa).
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 August 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=i1huT6eX6bw
― Blue Demon III (lpz), Friday, 19 August 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link
I just repeated my earlier post even more than I realized. This is why I am a semi-retired poster.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 August 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
As far as Palmieri goes, in general, my favorite material now is most of the La Perfecta era (not so much the first album) and large stretches of what he put out in the 70s through very early 80s. After that it's a lot more hit and miss, but I don't generally care for purely jazz-focused EP, which tended to become more dominant at some point in the early 90s if not sooner. Not going to check to see to what extent I am repeating myself again.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 19 August 2016 16:32 (seven years ago) link
Watched some of his solo NPR Tiny Desk appearance. No obvious dance rhythms till the third tune. The first two are nice and only occasionally get into the discordant banging he sometimes does solo.
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/18/490480164/eddie-palmieri-tiny-desk-concert
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/2017/05/16/palmieris-wisdom/
Palmieri's been doing a bunch of Monday gigs in NYC at Subrosa-- some noisy, some slightly more rhythmic.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 18 May 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
i saw him last year in a big outdoor amphitheater and it was SO FUNso much dancing, lots of energy, awesome show
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 May 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
Saturday (tomorrow, 16) at Lehman Center, Bronx: Eddie Palmieri and Friends, plus (quoting the propaganda): "Del Caribe Latin Jazz All Stars, led by Cuban pianist, master arranger and composer Emilio Morales, musical director and tres guitarist Nelson Gonzalez with musicians: Johnny Rodriguez, Ruben Rodriguez, George Delgado, Orestes Vilato, Ricardo Pons, and special invited guest artist, Giovanni Hidalgo." This is a chance to hear two great pianists. You know Eddie Palmieri, and you might know Havana piano hero Emilio Morales, but if you don't, you should. This band of Emilio + Nelson + the cats played Monday night in a tribute to Palmieri at the Bronx Museum, and it's a treat.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 16 September 2017 05:06 (six years ago) link
That's from N*d S*blette's email newsletter
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 16 September 2017 05:07 (six years ago) link
can't believe he's in his 80s. perfect way to spend a cinco de mayo, even if he is from puerto rico
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 6 May 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
Wait you are seeing him tonight? Saw his double riding a bike along the East River yesterday
― Nashville #9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 May 2018 02:22 (five years ago) link
yes. he had a fancy princeton theater doing a conga line by the end of the show. magical
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 6 May 2018 11:07 (five years ago) link
the album he put out last year, "sabiduria", is fantastic
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 May 2018 13:06 (five years ago) link
How did I not listen to Sabiduria last year. Some great tracks on it. I like the New Orleans flavored one, and several others. This effort is more lively than some previous ones of his.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
New album out today https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmusic/article/Eddie-Palmieri-Releases-New-Album-Mi-Luz-Mayor-20181207
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 December 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
Both of his 2018 albums are great, but they're very different from each other.
Also, I interviewed him back in September and it was awesome.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:42 (five years ago) link
wow, he's on a roll after sabiduria just last year and full circle earlier this year
this one is way more straight-ahead than those other ones, though
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:45 (five years ago) link
Yeah, it's all songs his late wife used to like, apparently.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:53 (five years ago) link
aw that's sweet <3
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 8 December 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
He's got an app for music students to use now too---
Palmieri Salsa Jams is billed as “the world’s first interactive salsa music app.”
Available through noted jazz trumpeter Christian Scott aTunde Adjuah’s Stretch Music App platform, Salsa Jams enables students to read sheet music or play along by ear for every song on Palmieri’s “Full Circle” album. They can also mute or fade out altogether any instrument, so that they can play that instrumental part, as well as control the tempo, loop rhythms and melodies, and more.
‘I put salsa on my spaghetti, baby!’“If students mean anything to you, you want to set them on the right track,” said Palmieri, who — at 81 — is likely the most senior Latin music legend to release an app of any kind, let alone a salsa app.
Never mind that this bearded composer and band leader snorts with derision at the mere mention of the word salsa, which came to the fore in New York in the 1960s. He regards the commercial tag placed on this Cuban-inspired Latin dance music hybrid as simplistic and misleading.
“Fania Records came up with name ‘salsa’ and it’s a complete misnomer,” charged Palmieri, who in 1962 released his debut solo album, “La Perfecta,” on Fania and was later featured on the first Fania All-Stars album.
“Like my great friend, Tito Puente, used to say: ‘I put salsa on my spaghetti, baby!’ It (salsa) comes from rumba, guaracha, danzón, cha-cha, mambo, guaguancó, changüí. They all have their proper names, but we lump it under one name: ‘salsa’.”
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/music/sd-et-music-eddie-palmieri-interview-20181118-story.html
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
wow, a salsa appwill have to report this to my students
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
Interesting
― What Do I Blecch? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
Think I prefer the classic recordings of some of those tunes
― What Do I Blecch? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
Haven’t heard it yet, but guessing I will end up agreeing with you.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 10 December 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
of his 2018 releases I like Full Circle the most so far.
― calzino, Monday, 10 December 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
.. it's so good!
― calzino, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
https://youtu.be/MFQHW6yGBV4
Online Eddie Palmieri & La Perfecta II gig via NYC Summerstage
― curmudgeon, Friday, 30 October 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link