marquee moon by Television

Adventure, I love all of it. Now the title track is there, "The Dream's Dream" isn't quite such a 'wanders off and gets lost' ending to the album.

In other words, 'rockism' is what I do every time I get on ILX!

hahah, just kidding! sort of. But yeah, it's way lame. Bimble, your opinion, your reaction to music -the way it impacts your life - is as valid as any of these cockfarming rock critics who post on these boards. Believe dat.

That is very true. Hell critics get free music -- i trust the opinion of someone who has paid over someone who gets things for free!

Track one) Roadrunner
Track two) Up the Bracket

and so on...

scott, what is it you prefer about the ROIR tape? I'm curious because I have it and I find it nearly unlistenable. What am I missing?

Yeah, rockism="It's gotta rock!" and "It might be good, but it still sucks because it doesn't rock!"

Best definition evah???

i've had the felt records for years, and up until recently i couldn't be bothered to be to inquisitive about them as people.

also the idea that authenticity is the gold standard of everything good and meaningful, that something new will almost always be inferior to something time-tested and "classic," that there are two categories, rock and "everything else," and nothing in the second category so much as exists in the rockist consciousness unless it (a) serves as a constant antagonist to all that is good and meaningful in music (b) brushes up against rock in some way that validates it.

this is all pretty reductive but it's a good place to start.

Oh gosh, unlistenable, really? I always thought that tape sounded fine. I really fell in love with those versions when I first heard them. I had the Blow-Up tape and then the cd, but i think i sold the cd so i can't listen to it right now, but i just remember it being so tense and powerful. It kinda made me wish that i had a cd that was nothing but old live versions of those two songs. The studio versions never hit me half as hard.

No, it isn't.

Search function is being spazzy so I couldn't find the Television C/D thread. This one will have to suffice.

Anyway, I dunno if it's common knowledge that the Television show in Central Park on Saturday was announced as Richard Lloyd's last. RL is severing his ties with the band to pursue more solo stuff.

Thing is, Lloyd went into intensive care with pneumonia in both lungs on June 1st and is still hospitalized & on breathing apparatus, though there has apparently been significant improvement since his admittance.

I hope he gets to go home soon. Very worrying.

the last couple months have been exceedingly odd for Mr. Lloyd. Has he gone off the deep end?
here's his strange announcement re: his split with Television & his new apparently amazing (that's what he says anyway) record

Dear Marquee Moon mailing list members:

First of all, thank you for your continued support of our band and its members. Although I read the list from time to time, and I notice it is a worship altar for the works of Tom Verlaine, I have never minded, because for 34 years within Television, I practiced a kind of magical invisibility -- you could look at me on stage and think that what I was doing was being done by Tom. Of course, I took my own solos etc., but nonetheless I practiced a real yogic invisibility so that the band would have one leader and one central visionary.

A man cannot ride two horses. I am a great believer in my newest record which is about to come out, and I think it is as important a record as anything ever released -- not more important, but equal to absolutely anything you can name in rock-and-roll history. It deserves my full attention and support.

I'm going to ask the mailing list members a question. It's a rhetorical question, and thereafter I will answer it myself: have any of you ever made a New Year's resolution? Have any of you that have made a New Year's resolution kept your promise to yourself for the entire year? I dare say that not many of you can answer yes to this. Well, I made a vow in 1973 to subsume my will and my own personal charisma behind Tom, in order that Television have one face and one leader showing to the public. At times this vow was very difficult on me. I suffered public embarrassment and had to hide my own gregariousness and generosity behind a band identity that was nick-named "the ice kings of rock."

Now that I have announced my severance from any involvement in the band Television, the other three are free to get a fourth member should they like, and continue under the name. That was our original agreement and I stand by. I am a man of my word. I gave my word to myself and I kept my vow or 35 years. Now I am released from that vow and can reveal my own talents and force. I hope you will join me on an exciting adventure, which is more social phenomenon than musical, the music just being a part of my plans to conquer the earth and make the earthlings be nice to one another.

Please refrain from mentioning the name of my forthcoming record. Please do not mention the phrase. This will assist me in my well thought about promotional campaign. There will be no advance copies sent to journalists. There will be small listening parties and the record will be being played at my shows. But if you do not get a copy directly from me, you don't get one.

Sincerely yours,
Richard

hmmm?

It doesn't bother me in the slightest about starting a new thread, or posting on this one, but here's the one you're looking for:

television: classic or dud? search and destroy

sad..

I saw them on the self-titled album tour, down in Washington DC. I had to go by myself, nobody was interested. But holy cow, it was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen. They were just so intense.

Fast forward about a decade later, I saw them again in NY. This time I had a bunch of friends. We left about 30 minutes into it. Slow, dull, no energy and they took about 10 minutes between each song to retune.

My friend put it best, "Tom Verlaine seems like he'd rather be playing shuffleboard."

I love that kilbey blog post
He hasn't deleted his blog in general has he?

Discogs has a French promo single, unissued tracks, dated just after the issue of the third album.

Anyone know anything about it? Or is it a bunchafibs?

https://img.discogs.com/mbfz_8LScBRlDZUpOaPGUqfgjMw=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2839065-1303387370.jpeg.jpg

Tracklist .

1 The Revolution 3:13
2 Big Jo 0:35
3 Hoo

I have found a review, which I nick and repeat here:

This was released with copies of the Self-titled album when it came out in some French department store. It's extremely rare, so naturally one would wonder: is it any good?

Unfortunately no.

All of the tracks are spoken word. The first two are intermittently interesting to listen to one time but are total garbage. Not even songs. The last one sounds like Captain Beefheart or something, spoken word with an occasional song part thrown in. I love some of his music so maybe I'm too kind towards this, because I think with about a minute cut off, it'd be a decent song.

Also the drum sound is shockingly good. These two things each raise the rating by half a star. The last official Television studio release, and it's a complete throwaway -they clearly didn't take this release seriously-. Shame Tom Verlaine lost his mind, they were one of my favorite bands of all time. Hell, the live bootleg from around 2002 of unreleased tracks ("Call Mr. Lloyd" is the name and you can listen to it here: http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24 ) is fantastic, so they clearly could make a successful comeback if they wanted. Sadly Tom is so nuts he hears aural flaws nobody else does whenever he tries to make a new album with the band. Resulting in: an excessively sterile/muted sound (on self-titled he'd only gotten to this stage), some huge fit, and lastly him scrapping everything they'd just recorded. A new album was supposed to come out around 2010 I think but it's now 2016 and not a word has been heard from him aside from occasional live shows... which used to be fantastic but are slowly getting worse.

May he find peace.

"Hoo" is 04:56 btw

that Revolution single isn't all that bad, but it's not a hidden classic or anything -- sounds like half-finished leftovers from the s/t sessions. Definitely not worth the $90 they're asking on Discogs.

A nice post-script to the evolution of "Marquee Moon" would be the live 13:58 version from the 1982 live disc on The Miller's Tale comp, just because the recording is so good, and an interesting example of Verlaine solo.

I think its the same as on the 12" b-side of "The funniest thing"

Edit: Apparently not, its from 1987, but its still good though.

Oh, "Revolution"is on it!

Riiiiight....

Yeah, that 1982 gig is stellar. I think Tyler has some bootlegs that are equal to it on his site.

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOyNTk5WZM

6-4-82 at the Ritz does not quite have the sound quality of the millers tale gig but the intensity is even higher. On that MM, Verlaine takes a striking unaccompanied solo.

Bowery Ballroom 2006 is also a fantastic Verlaine band live recording showing what that year's songs album could do

i wrote the script for this little marquee moon video -- they found a few cool pics i hadn't seen before
http://pitchfork.com/tv/56-liner-notes/1967-explore-televisions-marquee-moon-in-5-minutes/

nice!

That's awesome Tyler!

thanks, jon -- obviously nothing too revelatory for heads, but I think they did a nice job with it...

love this pic of Lloyd -- i assume it was taken some time towards the end of "Satisfaction"

https://68.media.tumblr.com/6c6b74a08980bc2a01ddc7bd953b2af1/tumblr_inline_oocqdmtQEH1qzx4na_1280.jpg

lol

Stereo Review is a good source for "what's this crap?" contemporary hot takes on 'classic' LPs pic.twitter.com/qBbqCsKnYG

— Bowiesongs (@bowiesongs) July 27, 2018

Did he. . . did he even listen to the album?

not sure anyone who’s seen the elegantly cadaverous band on the cover of the record would want any more ‘flesh tones’ than there are on there already tbh

Seems this LP and Wire’s Pink Flag we’re very heavily discussed as rock classics 20 years or so ago, and maybe not as much these days?

Are any rock classics heavily discussed these days?

The Thing

I was interested in who "N.C." might be, and after looking around a bit, found a site that archives Stereo Review for forty years:

http://www.americanradiohistory.com/HiFI-Stereo-Review.htm

Only recognized one name on the masthead circa 1977 (Steve Simels), but looks like Bangs reviewed records for them for a time. He reviews Bob Marley and Peter Tosh in the September '77 issue, also the Ramones in an earlier issue (the pages are missing on that one).

N.C. = 'Noel Coppage'

also some sweet reviews of rumours and lust for life in that thread

title track is the closest a new york band ever got to Wishbone Ash

Bangs was writing for Stereo Review at least as early as 1974, as he reviewed Quadrophenia.

Good review...They've got a search button in the top right where you can look up Bangs, or specific albums. The other thing I love is all those old Marantz and Pioneer ads. I used to look at those ads as a teenager like someone else might look at Mercedes and Porsche ads.

http://www.magazine-advertisements.com/uploads/2/1/8/4/21844100/marantz-electronics-1-1.jpg

Holy crap, $1285 today is around $7000 (and $298 just over $1600).

See No Evil just came on in Shooters Sports n Shorts bar in Leeds and I'm amazed.

xpost you could get a hell of a nice integrated stereo amp today for $1285!

The Marantz, though, came with the TK421 modification, which they'd do right in the store. You don't get that anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3U41b0WSU

haha, great clip

That is funny. Where is it from?

Boogie Nights

haha, I'd totally forgotten about that scene, and it's not too far off from the Marantz ad copy (Gyro-Touch tuning! Built-in oscilloscope!)

To be fair, Marantz is a pretty solid investment.

Oh, I agree. I found a cheap used 1030 a few years ago, and it sounded great/worked perfectly for a few years. Tank-like, too (until one of the channels died).

Sorry, Marquee Moon, people love you and you will get your thread back soon...I started looking into where the company was now and came across this ad testifying to those tank-like qualities.

http://www.ca.marantz.com/Assets/Images/1974_Marantz_fire_ad.jpg

https://www.theringer.com/music/2022/4/13/23022787/television-marquee-moon-tom-verlaine-richard-hell

With Lloyd doubling his parts, the effect was noir-cool as opposed to exploitation-flick-thrilling