Danny Baker: Classic or Dud

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Kelly = never odious, I think, just one of too many who still behaves as if in their ascetic purity they lost, when actually in their slumming compromises they won.

Baker multiple ditto, wiv complications.

mark s, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The good thing about them is that they both do seem to truly love football, and have done for years, however, are they partly responsible along with Hornby et al for the "new fan"? and the fact that football became the latest bandwagon to jump on in the mid 90s?

cabbage, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they have to be held partly responsible, though the whole "new fan" and fottoball is cool attitude was surely never that bad a thing. The idea that you either 100% immerse yourself in football or nothing was always one of the problems with it. The beauty of 606 and Baker & Kelly Upfront is they did to football what ILe/M does for its subject - it allows itself to be tangental and silly, or intelligent and pithy on wwhatever subject bought up. If not both.

Can we blame Baker for The Premiereship? There is probably an argument out there....

Pete, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"truly love football" = totally responsible for Hornby et al and ALL THAT FOLLOWED.

So are you cabbage. Indie made itself the mainstream but pretends to itself it has holy inoculation against Britney-cooties.

mark s, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, it does have the production values of win lose or draw and pets win prizes, the same wacky zany sense of humour too. Mr McMoist, may I please remind you that you are not a comedian, please leave the jokes to the professionals.

cabbage, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Indie made itself the mainstream but pretends to itself it has holy inoculation against Britney-cooties.

eh? explain please so I can think of a witty come-back

cabbage, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The cookie crumbles kinda both ways although more for the good than the bad. The bad being mainly Pets Win Prizes and his drunken antics with the man Evans.

Great on 606 though as mentioned esp with DKelly. Even greater on Radio 1 Saturday/Sunday morning show scaring all those who had previously tuned in to DLT in same slot. Played what ever records took his fancy which meant interesting sounds and future battles with playlist mafia. Great phone calls, building bodies from peoples names, small children riding in to piles of tincans on trikes and people blowing things up.

He went to Virgin after Radio 1 but then was sacked from there and no longer on national radio. We need him back in the same way we need Mark and Lard back doing an intelligent evening show.

MarkS, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Baker is responsible for Hornby because Baker made Paul Gascoigne possible. And, of course, via Sniffin' Glue, after which came the fanzines, through which indie respectability was conferred on football / us. Baker is not to be blamed for this, since Hornby is an irrelevance.

Cabbage is responsible for the Premiership because the Premiership was a failed plan to secure Liverpool's position at the top of English football forever. And Cabbage IS Liverpool.

Tim, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Cabbage is responsible for the Premiership because the Premiership was a failed plan to secure Liverpool's position at the top of English football forever. And Cabbage IS Liverpool.

This is true, It seems that I am a member of a secret Premiership cabal, so secret that even I don't know about it. I don't mind being blamed for that but I won't accept responsibility for the prawn sandwich eaters, no way. I can proudly say that I have never been in a corporate hospitality box.

cabbage, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, Millwall? I thought he was Mr. Spurs-Till-Death himself.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kelly is Spurs, so much so that he has at least once (and according to my Spurs season ticket holder flatmate, more than that)fronted a consortium that has set out to buy up Spurs. There was a lot of talk about it last season before ENIC finally came in for them.

cabbage, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kelly = spurs
Baker = millwall?

mark s, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, thank you. I now realize the error of my 'Confusing Large Football-Loving Englishman Named David' ways. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'David' -- JESUS GOD. 'DANNY' I'll go home now.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can just see the hoards of second generation Irishmen in Orange County singing "David Boooooy"...

Pete, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My mum says he's okay because he signed a petetion to save a flower shop.

jel, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps he was entertaining back in the days of yore, but there are few people who irritate me like he does. Plus this bloke I used to know, who was some bizarre experiment to cross breed a computer nerd and a football nerd, was a big fan. Therefore: Danny Baker smells.

DG, Wednesday, 29 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

How come nobody has mentioned MURDER yet? (Prob because it is super- libellous).

Tom, Wednesday, 29 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"killer of Bob Marley" Yeah, what's that about, eh?

DG, Wednesday, 29 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

did he say "fancy a kick-around, bob?" one fateful afternoon?

carsmilesteve, Wednesday, 29 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I was about to say, first I ever heard of this particular story. What gives?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, thought that would titilate you. The story is that about a year before Bob's tragic death he and the Wailers were in London. Being rabid mad football fans they decided to have a kickabout with the NME. Imagine the scene unfit Music Journo's vs The Wailers - who were to all intents and purposes quite tasty. Anyway Baker - being known as a football fan (though chubby) felt an extra duty to try and play well so as when they were losing about 10-0 he decided to revert to usual Millwall tactics of the age and went in too footed on old Bob.

Bob was instantly in hideous pain, wailing indeed, and the match was abandoned due to this Baker caused toe injury. A quick trip off to hospital later on tour revealed that said to was not just broken but had become cancerous. Within the year Marley was up there with his namesake Jacob.

Whilst the causal connection between a bad tackle and cancer is highly unlikely and certainly won't stand up in a court of law, Baker blames himself to this day for cutting Bob's career short - and at the same time halving the birth rate in Jamaica.

Pete, Thursday, 30 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Those of you vaguely interested, Baker is back on radio at his spiritual home GLR (I mean London Live - pointless name change). Saturday mornings 8 - 11am. Let's hope Kelly, Dr H and Aliss Moss turns up too.

Pete, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Allis, yes. Dr. H, no.

Baker and Kelly will be teaming up again on Radio 5 in the new year (from 11 to 12:30).

Alex Gollner, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...
And lo, what goes around comes around. He just won the Sony Award for best DJ for his BBC London breakfast show, which it was pointed out was ironic for a man whose contract expliocitly tells him not to play records.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link

and the day after he hands in his two month notice...

Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I refuse to get that Ramones DVD because it has a Danny Baker commentary as an extra. So D.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Six O Clock Show: classic
NME: not sure, classic if rockist?
The Big Breakfast: classic
Danny Baker After All: dud
606: classic
Pets Win Prizes: dud
guest spot on Fantasy Football where he chokes on jellied eels while wearing a Flamengo shirt: classic
TFI Friday: dud
as half of screenplay writing duo Chris Baker: dud

but i'm sure he's good on BBC London so remarkably the classics just about have it. i'm generally impressed/envious of his career/fingers in pies ala Keith Allen.

$V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

NME: not sure, classic if rockist?

In fact he was totally non-rockist at the NME, he was a soulboy and was into pop music, Michael Jackson, Earth Wind and Fire etc

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

yeh i figured he was into Rare Groove and such - what years was he at the NME though?

$V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Kind of late 70s, early 80s?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

... I think he thought all that postpunk stuff was a load of old pony basically

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I always think he was there later than that because really I'm thinking of Danny Kelly.

$V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link

You missed another of his achievements:

Starting the Sniffin' Glue fanzine with Mark Perry: classic

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, NME baker was apparently amazing. big disco fan. i forgot about sniffin glue, which could scarcely have been more rockist. weird.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link

how exactly was sniffin glue 'rockist'? why is it 'weird' that Baker cld like prog and punk AND soul AND pop etc etc?

Andrew J L, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Didn't he do the last NME pre-Madness of King Pop interview with Michael Jackson around the release of 'Thriller' in late 82 ?

darren (darren), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Dusty Baker.....DUD.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link

in that jackson interview he mostly talked abt wack-a-mole!!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Should I not object to that commentary then?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Baker at NME: classic for the Chic album review, for the Jackson interview (Yoshi! "I'm playing with words you see...is funny"), for the Britfunk piece (which if you can find it will show you EXACTLY what he thought of post-punk), for Samuel KB Amphong, for his Teazers columns ("Basement 5 are my favourite group of all time! Sorry, who was it we were talking about again?") and especially for the funniest singles columns ever run, in the NME or anywhere else.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Whoops, two weeks, not two months. What am I going to listen to in the mornings now?!

Mind you, listening to a rubbish morning show will probably drive me out of bed, which would be a good thing.

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I can't listen to his Radio London show as it frustrates me, every time he gets going, he has to stop for dreary, interminable quarter-hour traffic and news summaries. Put him on Radio 2. Wogan's past retirement age!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:44 (fourteen years ago) link

You can listen to the "listen again" on the BBC London website which handily cuts out the boring bits.

I must admit Vicky is probably right. I thought having a morning show I really liked would help me get up int he morning, but actually i usuall listen until 9 and am then late for work*. Any news on if he is moving anywhere. Getting a nice Sunday morning show???

*Not that in the scheme of things this really matter.s

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Hold up! He did not Start "Sniffin Glue". He joined it towards the end.

Oh, when he was on the NME, his first (I think) singles review column was all raving about disco 12" singles. Most of which had terrible titles like "I'll never forget my favourite disco" but as I've never heared the tracks, I'll refrain.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, and ALSO!!!

He'd write stuff like "It sounds like Highway Star, and I've always hated Highway Star" which was a LIE! which he admitted later. It was more pretence than the CLASH!!! (I mean this, btw). Also, when "So it goes" had a retrospective, a lot of the lost vids were supplied by DB. Hang on, who had a video recorder in 1976-1977? Very rich people, that's who.


Despite all that, I vote Classic.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I doubt if you'll get him on Radio 2 on Sunday morning - Steve Shite's Sunday Love Songs and Michael Parkinson (the Geir Hongro of broadcasting) are immovable. So it would have to be tedious BBC Radio London, which manages to reduce one of the world's great cities to the level of Chipping Norton. On a wet Wednesday morning. In November. 1974.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:57 (fourteen years ago) link

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1480588,00.html

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Crappy news, but probably to be expected. I had a feeling he wouldn't stick that lousy early-morning slot forever. And the format was patently unsuitable - no records allowed and Baker having to stop every five minutes for travel bulletins.

It would be nice if they could do the obvious thing and put him back together with Danny Kelly again. It seems silly to have them doing different shows on the same station.

Giving Jon Gaunt the breakfast slot would probably be the worst thing ever, but I doubt I'll be listening to it anyway.

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Giving Jon Gaunt the breakfast slot would probably be the worst thing ever

PLEASE tell me that's not happening.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I also saw 'Condorman' at the cinema. Cool car, shit movie, fascist imagery...
https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-23-2015/Zk77yG.gif

just another country (snoball), Saturday, 11 May 2019 14:39 (five months ago) link

Also, finally, here's an animated GIF that adequately sums up Brexit:
https://66.media.tumblr.com/ec1ff9d0f7d685c322e766b78b69104a/tumblr_obhystHyC51sqf5tdo1_400.gif

just another country (snoball), Saturday, 11 May 2019 14:43 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Vywcjyt0Y&t=1s

9/11 truther and bloke who has written a self-published book about an alternate reality where Hitler died in WW1 and the US launched multiple nuclear weapons at China - saying it was karma that got Baker sacked because of the disgraceful way he treated Gazza.

calzino, Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:24 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Vywcjyt0Y

calzino, Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:25 (five months ago) link

don't do drugs, kids

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 May 2019 15:28 (five months ago) link

what happens to moaty in this alternative timeline

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2019 16:04 (five months ago) link

him and Lord Gascoigne crack the secrets of cold fusion between them.

calzino, Saturday, 11 May 2019 16:17 (five months ago) link

spoilers: the secret ingredient is some fog on the Tyne.

just another country (snoball), Saturday, 11 May 2019 16:19 (five months ago) link

reminds me that danny baker guests with kenny lynch, lulu's brother and that bloke from spooky tooth on this gazza album >>>

https://http2.mlstatic.com/lp-gazza-and-friends-lets-have-a-party-D_NQ_NP_734705-MLM25073698268_092016-F.jpg

Br. Des Shadows (NickB), Saturday, 11 May 2019 21:14 (five months ago) link

shame that danny’s gone and ruined that album for me now tbh

Br. Des Shadows (NickB), Saturday, 11 May 2019 21:53 (five months ago) link

the day you walked into a barbers and was greeted by an unsteady looking old man propped up by a walking stick and keenly showing his manual hand clippers. "Do you want a Paul Gascoigne short back and sides lad?". Thats wot brexit wants to bring back!

calzino, Saturday, 11 May 2019 21:54 (five months ago) link

the spooky tooth guy dying in 1979 is the best thing abt it tbh

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2019 21:57 (five months ago) link

cool kids never had the tyne

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:11 (five months ago) link

Yes, it's Son of Spooky Tooth guy, not Spooky Tooth guy. Also can you be called Spooky Tooth guy when you only appeared on one Spooky Tooth album and it's not what you're best known for anyway?

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:14 (five months ago) link

yes

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:15 (five months ago) link

it's canon

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:16 (five months ago) link

Having trouble finding out why Spooky Tooth were called Spooky Tooth.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:17 (five months ago) link

named after the band's favourite DJ and body part

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:18 (five months ago) link

at least it wasn't an acci-dental death.

calzino, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:28 (five months ago) link

calz moving in hard on this vacant colin hunt role

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:29 (five months ago) link

:p

calzino, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:30 (five months ago) link

That Gazza album only has the man himself on three tracks! Gazza, not Danny Baker. Wot a ripoff. Wot a low moment in Gilbert O'Sullivan's career too.

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:39 (five months ago) link

I bet Danny Baker knows why Spooky Tooth are called Spooky Tooth.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:44 (five months ago) link

now we'll never find out

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:47 (five months ago) link

imagine if you started getting flashbacks to the Terry Wogan interview, whilst getting interviewed by Danny Baker ...

calzino, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:49 (five months ago) link

And faster than you can say "gor blimey gov'ner luv a duck" he's back in front of adoring crowds.

BBC News - Danny Baker: Standing ovation at first show since Twitter storm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-48249637

Also "Twitter storm"?

Ned Trifle X, Monday, 13 May 2019 05:57 (five months ago) link

this is all really tasteful

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:14 (five months ago) link

Damn he was supposed to go away for good what happened

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 May 2019 09:21 (five months ago) link

white people have finally forgiven him

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:23 (five months ago) link

He's just performing in front of crowds in his normal manner, he's not milking it.

calzino, Monday, 13 May 2019 09:33 (five months ago) link

no he should fuck himself off a cliff nothing else will atone

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:51 (five months ago) link

sometimes - and i'm just throwing this out there - a period of seemly staying out of the public eye might be in order

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:53 (five months ago) link

he is calm and posting as he always does iirc

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:53 (five months ago) link

perfect

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:56 (five months ago) link

Lol. That's the one.

calzino, Monday, 13 May 2019 09:56 (five months ago) link

nothing about danny baker is about seemliness or not being in the public eye, in particular his job

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:57 (five months ago) link

Well yeah hence fuck him

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 May 2019 10:15 (five months ago) link

If was a bit more up for a short period of sweet obscurity he would be a coupla percent less a nauseating cunt for a day, at least.

calzino, Monday, 13 May 2019 10:23 (five months ago) link

fair

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Monday, 13 May 2019 10:25 (five months ago) link

Biography is on Kindle daily deal today. #1 bestseller in autobiographies apparently.

koogs, Monday, 20 May 2019 09:32 (four months ago) link

His podcast with Gary Lineker stopped without any announcement.

Lineker has kept schtum on twitter about the whole thing - dunno if he's dropped Baker or they're just letting the dust settle.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:34 (four months ago) link


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