Search and Destroy : New Order

in a nutshell

loving the 12" version of Shellshock so much right now

^^^This.

too bad the blogger is not a big fan of Robie's edits. As a fan of that style of editing, and Robie in general, I love Shellshock. Backing vocals and all.

heh, thanks for the sum-up, sic. God bless the Internet!

xpost OTM

I am not a fan of Robie either. He came off as a prick in New Order Story. I feel like he ruined both Sub-Culture and Shellshock. Both songs sound much better live although the Record Mirror mix of Sub-Culture is the best mix (mostly because it's a beefed edit of the album version sans idiotic repeating sampler jack-offery and sans that horribly out of time bass sequencer).

Funny, I didn't think him at all prick-ish in NO Story...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhepHqsO8E

John Robie clip.

Yeah, doesn't bug me at all, but maybe I'm predisposed to like him because I think he's a genius.

If I don't like the 2 mixes he did for New Order, can you recommend some other mixes he did that you consider contributions to his 'genius' status?

Love this blog, thanks Electric Sound!

Is robie listening to Fancy's Come Inside?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fQZg2oVno

beyond "mixes", stuff like Planet Rock and One More Shot pretty much solidify Robie's cred. Hip Hop Be-Bop Don't Stop, Play At Your Own Risk, Pack Jam, etc.

Rumors have it that Robies contributions have been understated while Bakers have been overstated.

Sounds about right. (Just listened to the full-length "Sub-Culture" remix and while it's a product of its time as the blog notes I always thought it was pretty amazing.)

xpost, also Bambaataa's "Looking for the Perfect Beat" and Freestyle - "Don't Stop the Rock".

The thing about the "Sub-Culture" remix is that it's so densely packed and seemingly random at moments yet you notice how incredibly precise elements drop in only after they happen. The reverbed syncopated kicks are my favorite part.

Glad to see the Robie Sub-Culture mix getting a good reception here. Much better than the album version imho.

So I'm trying to figure out what the rest of these entries will be assuming 20 entries total and going up to "World in Motion" and I think I have it:

13. Bizarre Love Triangle
14. True Faith
15. Touched by the Hand of God
16. Blue Monday '88
17. Fine Time
18. Round and Round
19. Run2
20. World in Motion

I love the Subculture mix with all my heart except for that damn farty bass sound- it's bugged the shit out of me for well over a decade now. Had a similar problem recently with the clonking cowbell (or whatever it is) in Capracara's "King of the Witches" but I've finally gotten to the point where it doesn't stick out so much.

And that blog has absolutely made my week.

(and did they ever put out corrected versions of the reissues?)

They're due soon.

I can't seem to find an announcement, are they just replacing discs or are there new discs going to retail?

holy shit this blog is amazing

The Recycle blog's currently working on 'Bizarre Love Triangle'. And the running order of the rest is confirmed, pretty much like I figured:

True Faith (already done)
Touched By The Hand Of God
Blue Monday '88
Fine Time (already done)
Round & Round
Run 2 (already done)
World In Motion

Will be utterly fantastic to have a definitive Run 2 single available.

Hope TBTHOG includes the early mixes, too (from 'Salvation!'?), since they're pretty fantastic.

Hm, now I know what my favourite adjective is when I've been drinking.

Hi there, I'm Jeb - the fellow who is doing the Recycle blog. It makes me really happy to see other people excited about the work we're doing.

@millsner - the Salvation! tracks will be on one of five additional listening discs that sit alongside each of the 80's studio LPs:

New Order Factory Irregulars
1. Additional Listening 1980-1981
2. Additional Listening 1982-1983
3. Additional Listening 1984-1985
4. Additional Listening 1986-1987
5. Additional Listening 1988-1990

Each disc is about an hour-long collection of rare, soundtrack, compilation, demo, and live material. There's a significant amount of material that's never been released. They also come with full artwork that compliments each studio album.

At that point the Recyle blog will contain everything the band officially released between 1980-1990 in remastered form, except for the studio albums, because they're still in print.

Sir, you are doing good deeds beyond compare. :-)

yeah, this is basically the best argument yet for bands putting reissue campaigns in the hands of dedicated fans. for real!

After having ignored them for so long due to latter day evils, and then being inspired by John Sellers Perfect From Now On book to finally get around to listening to the back catalogue, this blog is a godsend. cheers Jeb.

These are fabulous so far.

What's the relation between the versions of "Temptation", "Hurt", etc. on these singles, and the versions on the 1981 - 1982 EP?

GREAT work Jeb!!!

Nice one indeed Jeb, very much appreciated!

@ Houston - the versions of Temptation and Hurt on the 1981-1982 EP are exactly the same as the 12". On the 7", Temptation is a different recording and Hurt is a different mix (same basic recording with different effects and panning - not just an edit). The version of Hurt on disc 2 of Substance is a unique edit.

Your work is very much appreciated! The singles deserve to be so curated with lavish affection and attention to detail.

Thanks for your answer! It's puzzled me what's on the 1981-1982 EP for years, mostly because I've never had it but have read much about it.

Any comments on the mastering differences between the 1981-1982 EP and the far more common Substance CD?

I know 'EGG' on my CD copy certainly sounds rather different; less harsh, maybe.

The friend doing all the restoration and mastering didn't comment about the differences, so they must be minimal. He's usually very anal about that sort of thing. I know he tended toward using Substance as the benchmark because it was the first CD mastering for most of these songs.

was away from my own computer for a month - i can't wait to d/l these!!
anybody receive any replacement cd's from dr. rhino yet? i thought they would have shipped by now - i saw the new new re-reissues at amoeba today

So did they change the track selection on the re-reissues or just do a better mastering job?

The tracks are the same - including the completely out of place Tall Paul remix for True Faith - they just took them from better sources.

i'm a serious luddite playing these n.o. m4a files w/quicktime. i tried to install itunes for an hour today and it di'n't work. i don't want itunes anyhow. i searched a couple threads on m4a-mp3 conversion already and haven't found what i'm looking for. anybody have any goodideas? this stuff sounds incredible and i NEED to be able to get onto a disk.....

No idea what OS you are using. Fn windows m4a plays in winamp/vlc. You want to burn an audio cd? For windows use burrrn @ http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=4

yes, you understood what i failed to elucidate, svend. i just installed winamp, even, but honestly don't really have the $20 to drop for the pro edition so i can convert these. thanks for the link!

svend, you are a brilliant brilliant example of the human species!! i love the internetz again!!!

This pretty amazing. Yeah, wow.

"Bizarre Love Triangle" is up it's amazing. Listening to the 12" mix, I really have not heard it like this since I retired my phonograph. It's amazing how much trouble this kind of work is for record companies.

"Procession" is owning me so hard right now

I'm like that with Kiss of Death.