Radiohead - In Rainbows

Though I won't be doing the discbox. Wonder if you'll be able to get a regular release of the second disc, or if it's discbox exclusive?

melissa where did that come from?

It's very guitary driven.

It's not necessarily overdriven though.

Ned I just opened the link to your Om review -- I too nearly forgot about this release in the Radiohead craze, which prior to 10/10 I listened to quite a bit. I think I'll put it on today.

back to Radiohead. from Charlie Wilmoth's Dusted Review:

They've dedicated a lot of their time the past seven years to making bleeps and bloops and space noises, which is fine except, again, that's not what they're good at.

hardy-har-har. ughh.

In any case, I can't shake the feeling that In Rainbows is like watching a great movie on an amazing flat-screen TV that I'm only allowed to watch while wearing glasses with the wrong prescription. (Which almost sounds like a the subject of a Radiohead song, come to think of it.)

I don't understand this at all.

also from the Dusted review:

In Rainbows is pretty much exactly what we'd expect - not quite as strange as Kid A, not quite as rock-based as 2003's Hail to the Thief, and not quite as paranoid as Yorke's 2006 solo album The Eraser.

and highly OTM. this album is missing its identity.

the best parallel i can draw: it's most similar (out of Radiohead's back catalog) to Amnesiac, cause it feels like a handful of good songs scattered among nearly a full album's worth of b-sides.

melissa where did that come from?

It's from the middle of Reckoner with the central channel cut out so that you can hear Thom singing "in rainbows in rainbows in rainbows".

xxpost really? i'd almost HTTT had less of an identity. IR seems to be a lot more cohesive, even if it doesn't flow as well as I thought it did on first listen.

^ exposes Reckoner as the album's thematic centerpiece?

xpost

this album is missing its identity.

I don't sense this at all, honestly. I think it very cleverly suggests one tone at the start with the opening two songs, then shifts into the predominant one from there on in. And I like that.

Mark - for one, i think Nude and Videotape both sound *very* similar, mood-wise to Pyramid Song, like throwaways that were discarded in favor of Pyramid Song at the time, then used for this album later. Nude in particular, maybe there's a reason it's been around for years and never been recorded for an album...

I watched that studio clip on the dvd where they're working on it, it sounds like a totally different song.

I think it very cleverly suggests one tone at the start with the opening two songs, then shifts into the predominant one from there on in. And I like that.

so which is the album's true identity, the one presented in the first two songs? or the one suggested thereafter? i'll admit i too see the distinction in mood/tone between the 2nd and 3rd songs, but it seems disjointed to me -- as opposed to say, Kid A, which very effectively maintains the *same* mood from start to finish.

which is the album's true identity

Does it need one?

I'm not sure about the b-sides description of Amnesiac (partly because there are so many incredible songs on it) It is a kind of fragmented album, in a sense, but I think that makes it for a much more dynamic narrative. The instrumental bits, the interludes, the choppiness of a lot of it, it just works so well for Amnesiac. Those parts also give a sense of spaciousness to the album that I don't really think HTTT or IR really have, apart from a few songs.

xxxpost (to Stephen) -- hmm I can see where you're coming from in regards to those two songs.

(regarding Nude/Videotape)

I actually hadn't realized people still considered Amnesiac a B-side/throwaway collection! Wow. That actually kinda surprises me. (Then again I hadn't realized people still called Kid A 'cold' so who knows.)

Yea it always baffled me because I've always thought Amnesiac is their best album.

They've actually been playing Nude live in various guises since 1997. I think they've been sitting on that song in search of the right arrangement for ages, it used to have a big loud Fake Plastic Trees guitar bit in the final third. I like it more than Pyramid Song, not that they actually sound very similar at all.

(I think Amnesiac is their worst album that just happens to contain a couple of their best songs)

That's a good take!

it would've made more sense of IR came out after Amnesiac, HtTT really does feel out of place in between those two.

*if

All we need now is for them to record Lift, Big Boots and Follow Me Around.

I've got a ropey old mp3 of Lift, 128kbps, and it's fantastic. One of their top 5 songs I think. I'd love to hear a "proper" version of it.

While hearing the Talk Talk reference, Reckoner sounds to me like a John Frusciante song with good vocals (Fall out of Love rhythm, Scar Tissue / Smile is a Rifle guitar). Obvi not meaning it's an influence, but others hear this? Same Frusciante guitar sound on House of Cards...

all this stuff about IR not being thematically consistent or whatever is mind-boggling. Why can't they just make a record that's just a strong collection of songs like any other artist? It's the same problem that I had with HTTT when it came out, people were so eager to read into it some sort of political statement or commentary on the state of the world. and if it wasn't that, they wanted the music itself to represent some kind of overarching feeling of unease, that sound that says "we're all doomed".

you could argue that the band asked for it after OK Computer/Kid A but it just seems kind of unfair at this point. even for a band like Radiohead. Sometimes Thom just wants to sing about a thwarted hook-up (I just looked up the lyrics to "Jigsaw" and haha.. if it's not a "Creep" for a new generation).

people caring about thematic content of an album = no music fans

ha frusciante

Haha I noticed the Scar Tissue but have been trying to ignore it.

As have I.

Does it need one?
-- Ned Raggett, Friday, October 12, 2007 9:50 AM (1 hour ago)

not necessarily - but that's part of the distinction (for me) between a good radiohead album and a great radiohead album. pablo honey, amnesiac, hail to the thief = no overarching mood/theme = good radiohead albums. the bends, ok computer, kid a = distinct moods, themes, lyrical structures through entire albums = great radiohead albums. so i would file In Rainbows with the first set.

I actually hadn't realized people still considered Amnesiac a B-side/throwaway collection! Wow. That actually kinda surprises me. (Then again I hadn't realized people still called Kid A 'cold' so who knows.)
-- Ned Raggett, Friday, October 12, 2007 9:55 AM (1 hour ago)

I wouldn't call Amnesiac a b-sides collection per se. it's a collection of about 4-5 fucking excellent songs, a few really good songs and then about 3 more that are just throwaways. it's a pretty good album but not consistent re: mood/sound. as for Kid A, i'd say it's pretty warm with Idioteque being the one *clear* exception - right down to the "ice age coming" lyrics.

(I think Amnesiac is their worst album that just happens to contain a couple of their best songs)
-- Matt DC, Friday, October 12, 2007 10:00 AM (1 hour ago)

OTM!

Why can't they just make a record that's just a strong collection of songs like any other artist?
-- Roz, Friday, October 12, 2007 10:36 AM (32 minutes ago)

i never said they can't do exactly that - it just won't result in their best work, cause they've already set a pretty ridiculously high precedent for cohesive album-length statements.

people caring about thematic content of an album = no music fans
-- rizzx, Friday, October 12, 2007 10:41 AM (27 minutes ago)

okay, ignoring the thematic content for a moment - the music behind Nude, Weird Fishes/Arpeggi, Faust Arp, House of Cards and Videotape just doesn't work well for me, honestly. i wouldn't feel like these songs were throwaways (some to greater degrees than others) if they were woven into the record a little better thematically.

if you're going with that distinction, three out of seven ain't bad!

how does The Bends have more "distinct moods, themes, lyrical structures through entire albums than Pablo Honey or HTTT? I'm having trouble accepting your criteria for good vs great Radiohead.

After one half-listen (not paying full attention, rather than only listened to one half), this is the least annoying vocal performance by Thom Yorke since ever. Promising.

I was just reading some of the comments on Idolator. Is there that many people out there that think this isn't going to be the final, physically released version?

how does The Bends have more "distinct moods, themes, lyrical structures through entire albums than Pablo Honey or HTTT?
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, October 12, 2007 11:21 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

The Bends is sonically consistent - it's a straightforward pop/rock album with excellent songs all around; the melodies to most of those songs are easily recalled just by looking at the song titles, i recall someone here saying recently, and none of the songs stray too far from the straightforward-ness of the album. you could really pull almost any of its songs, play it on UK rock radio in '95 and it'd work out pretty well i imagine.

same with Kid A - compared to everything else, it's highly experimental; the closest you'd come to finding a straightforward "single" worthy song is Optimistic, which due to its production/sonic layering and such is *still* way beyond anything on The Bends in terms of accessibility. so the album sticks to its guns, it's cohesive.

now looking at HTTT, you've got a handful of pop/rock songs (2+2=5, Go to Sleep, There there) another set of ballads (Sail to the moon, I will, Scatterbrain), a third set of songs that are very bassy/beat-driven, emphasis on low end (Backdrifts, The gloaming, Myxomatosis), a couple that are just fucking weird sonically and structurally (Sit down stand up, We suck young blood, A wolf at the door).......and another song or two I'm forgetting i suppose. and these songs fit together a lot less as a coherent *whole* album than Kid A or The Bends - you couldn't switch out songs on either of those records and still have the same record, whereas you could swap out a rocker, a ballad, a beatsong, and an experimental track on HTTT and still have more or less the same record as a whole entity. if that makes any sense.

Pablo Honey is not a "great album" for a different reason - because the songs are not consistently strong; it's The Bends v.1, aka Radiohead before they became themselves, set apart from the mid '90s pack of UK pop/rock, britrock-influenced, whatever bands. the songs aren't as good as The Bends (on average) and it affects the album as a while. just too many throwaway songs -- but it's a fun record, i'll give it that!

as a whole*

In one of those Idolator articles, the author claims to hear an Eagles influence on In Rainbows. Anybody else hear it? In what song?

there is a recent-ish interview with yorke somewhere where he mentions his fondness for recent chili peppers albums. it will make you cringe.

Frusciante's the only guy in that band who I like so if that's the connection I have no problems.

What I wouldn't give for the Radiohead Five to mimic the cover of Freaky Styley.

i actually like a lot of those sappy chili pepper ballads and the frusciante solo songs from the brown bunny soundtrack. i just can't imagine radiohead loving bro-ish, bland funk-rock.

after listeing to this album quite a bit in the past few days. for me this is probably the best album they have ever released. It's everything I could ever want in a radiohead LP and more. still love this.

the atmosphere of the album is more or less it's red line. it's woozy, out there feeling, sort of like Amnesiac's more coherent brother. I feel their back-to-Kid A-style-experimenting-in-the-studio comments, the comfort of their studio with them just getting into a zone, not caring too much about it all and then something like this comes out. For me, All I Need perfectly illustrates that, calm, warm but ending with a little explosion of joy

it's how they must feel right now

from an august 2006 Mojo interview with thom:

"There's one called Bodysnatchers - it's a little bit like Neu! meets dodgy hippy rock. It sounds like that new Australian band Wolfmother - I really like them actually. They're totally unashamed about what they're doing. They just don't give a fuck - and I really love that. There's a track called 15 Steps which was born out of a mad rhythm experiment that we did last year. At first we thought, "How the fuck can we pull this off live?" But then we were listening to Fuck The Pain Away by Peaches a lot and that indirectly inspired us to turn it into something different. It's got a bass line like Airbag and it's in 5/4 time with this 'clapping' groove throughout. I really like the lyrics. "You used to be alright / W hat happened? / Et cetera et cetera / Friends forever! 15 steps -then a sheer drop."

There's another song called House Of Cards - that's my personal favourite. It reminds me a lot of that tune by Fleetwood Mac - Albatross, which I absolutely love. House Of Cards sounds satisfying, really mellow and summery...

"Albatross," yeah, I can hear that pretty immediately now that I read that!

Frusciante's the only guy in that band who I like so if that's the connection I have no problems.
-- Ned Raggett, Friday, October 12, 2007 1:08 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Agreed. Just because it was nagging at me, the specific comparison just now clicked in my head, 'Murderers' (which is kinda a great song):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vMsL41ZSUPk