Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

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The US South seems even more foreign to me! "Ethnic People" or "Asian Women" or "Black Guys" would make sense.

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sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Duh, me amurikn liek 'commn poepeol', unndjerstandd

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish "Around the Way Girl" (which I voted for) had won instead of "Mama Said Knock You Out" (which I didn't vote for). I assume it won't be in the top 20.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah. That's too bad. LL Cool J should have a couple of songs here. I like that one better too.

danh (danh), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh, those cursed brits and their pulp/saint etienne/b&s/psb! *cough*

dj: I'm sure lots of Americans voted for those artists, too.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i am american and feel no shame for voting for 4 pulp tracks and 2 belle & sebastian tracks. i like scarfpop. all the americans that are pissed that british music ruled the poll... maybe british music was better in the 90's. gasp.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

and, yeah, I didn't mean to sound flippant: dj "knows" me well enough to know I love all those artists - I voted for three songs each by pulp and B&S, and four by saint etienne. My top three consisted of one song from each of those artists. I guess I ruined the poll...

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Do Saint Etienne sound like the Cardigans?

If I remember correctly, St. Etienne got The Cardigans producer for their 4th album, Good Humor. And I guess in that particular album they do sound a bit like The Cardigans.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

BTW this guy's name is Tore Johansson.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm, does this mean that this thread is going to be revived?

Saint Etienne - C/D?

youngn (ndeyoung), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link

OK hold up I called out the "anglophiles" upthread too scott, don't think I didn't know what you voted for ;)

maybe british music was better in the 90's. gasp.

And that's just bullshit.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

their dance music was miles ahead of american dance music

their "alternative rock" music has held up better than american rock has.

all that america has, in my opinion, is rap and hip hop.

i am not a huge rap/hip hop person, but i did still vote for 5 tracks, one at number 2.

also, england had trip-hop

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't tell if you mean that as a point in favor of or against England (re: trip hop).

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link

ye gods

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link

tricky and portishead are fantastic artists, jerks :)

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"also, england had trip-hop"

But isn't Endtroducing the best trip-hop album ever made by a longshot?

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe I just don't like the sound of "Common People" as much as "Disco 2000" or "Something's Changed".

2xpost Private Press pwns it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean if you want to call it trip-hop (maybe you don't).

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i call entroducing hip hop

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Private Press sort of goes beyond the trip-hop thing, though a couple of tracks might still fit that category.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't Endtroducing an "instrumental hip-hop" album? (xpost)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

My theory is people are not so much dissappointed as they are surprised that American alternative rock is largely absent (that's just my impression, although of course I could be completely wrong). I mean, this polls used to be packed with that stuff in the 90's and right now I think the whole grunge/post-grunge think is undergoing an unpopularity phase.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link

It's probably a pointless semantical discussion, but I always thought that Shadow's solo stuff wasn't quite "hip-hop" because it's slower and moodier and doesn't have any MCs on it

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm slightly disappointed but not enough so that I nominated anything close to US alt-rock or would have probably ranked it in my top 5.

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sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh wait, this is the singles poll. Yes I would have and did.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean Endtroducing doesn't sound like, say, a DJ QBert record, for example.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd never really thought about Entroducing as anything other than hip-hop. I've honestly never given it much thought up until just now tho.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Acknowledging how it was made, I thought it sounded like lite jazz.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought it sounded good when high

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:18 (nineteen years ago) link

it's been awhile since I gave it a chance but my basic feeling was "nice little instrumental, ok yeah, oh now the piano is fucking up to remind us that the piano is actually a record - good for you, here's a cookie"

(ok this is a total tangent if people want to discuss this further some DJ shadow thread should probably be revived)

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

We may not have the same kind of 'common people' slumming (in the US this would have to be a country song about rich people trying to be country cf. Cowboy Dubya), but parts of the song are very US-accurate. "Watch your life slide out of view/ drink and dance and screw 'cuz there's nothing else to DO" applies to pretty a lot of young Americans who didn't go away to college (and some who did), and applied to almost everyone I worked with waiting tables and bartending.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

For the record:

I love Portishead.

"Western Eyes" > "Sour Times" > "All Mine"

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm American and "Common People" was #1 on my list. Don't see what the big deal is about the lyrics not translating well to us Yanks. (shrug) They sound just fine to me (never did understand the "chip stain's grease will come out in the bath" part, though. Because that's probably not what he really says).

On a sidenote, WHO the FUCK would EVER vote for a piece of generic American emoesque indie-rock crap like "Web in Front"!?!?

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

There are multiple threads on how endtroducing is/isn't hip-hop, the point is that in no way was Europe coming up with any better music than was coming through in the states. I was about to rant about how overrated i think euro rave/techno is from this period but i've decided against it bcuz i don't know much of it that well anyway, but this gets to the root of my distaste for a lot of the way hip-hop is seen on ILM as being sort of nowhere until they started using European rave sounds, as if early 90s hip-hop = current undie hip-hop or something.

Here's something interesting. When all the new european critics was going nuts over eurodance in the mid 90s, a DJ named screw was redefining hip-hop in Houston and music today outside of Houston is just beginning to feel its effects. I'm not hugely familiar w/ miami bass, but that shit was going on at the same time as revolutionary NYC hip-hop that already gets well-deserved props.

I'm not saying that european music from this period sucks - in fact, I've bought some st. etienne and pulp specifically because of Scott PL's recommendations in the past. And I've discovered lots of european dance music that I like because of ILM and Simon Reynold's generation ecstasy.

But seriously, this myth about european music in the early 90s somehow being "better" or "more progressive" than its American counterparts is bullshit; this was a fertile period in the U.S. in a lot of different ways, and there is tons of u.s. music from the 90s that is not represented in this poll. Not that I'm surprised- obviously, this board is british based (originally) and its not like i expected miami bass and southern hip-hop (geto boys excepted) to get nods. But yo - this american-music-sucks thing about the early 90s is some crazy talk.

namean?

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I would have voted for "Common People" pretty high but it's so shrill (not lyrically, the actual sound) I can't listen to it very often.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i never said american music sucked. i said that british music was better.

i have heard plenty of early 90's rap and none of it really resonated with me. it is ok, but gritty new york hip hop is just more to my liking. i downloaded 'mind playing tricks on me' when the nominations were put out because there was some buzz here about it. it didnt do anything for me. maybe i had to listen to it back when it was put out, but truthfully, if i dont like it now, i am not putting it on the list. i really liked soundgarden in the 90's, but now i find them to be annoying so therefore i didnt vote for them.

i voted for what i liked. i also stand by the idea that the european songs/albums that are listed have held up better than the stuff that did not make the list.

you may disagree, but you really arent going to convince me or anyone.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

You said: i never said american music sucked. i said that british music was better.

And I had already said: But seriously, this myth about european music in the early 90s somehow being "better" or "more progressive" than its American counterparts is bullshit;

And trying to say its somehow "aged" better is fucking stupid, just because Pulp resonated with you back when you were a little kid who called his mom "mum" and his pants "knickers" doesn't mean that the geto boys didn't resonate with a lot of other people.

And that's my criticism of this list, why I don't really feel it. Holding those bands up as the pentultimate achievement of the 90s reeks of whitewashing.

Now obviously this is a poll so you know, whatever - what people like is what people like. But to suggest that this period of british music was inherently "better" or "more progressive" than its counterparts in america is bullshit. I mean, I'm not saying hip-hop was more important, I'm saying that at the very least it is equally as important. If you hadn't even heard "Mind Playing Tricks" until now, how can you know that Euro music has "aged" better? You clearly haven't really engaged with American music too much anyway.

And I "gritty new york hip-hop" fits under the column of "early 90s rap". And also mid 90s, and late 90s, and even now to a degree (although much less so)

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:04 (nineteen years ago) link

pulp didnt resonate with me back when i was a little kid. because i didnt fucking hear their music until 2002.

the british music of the 90's SOUNDS BETTER TO ME THAN AMERICAN MUSIC OF THE SAME PERIOD. it has held up better to my ears and to the ears most of the people on this message board it seems (although the top twenty will probably make your hissy fit seem completely ridiculous because there isnt a whole lot of british hits left to be listed).

i listened to a lot of alternative rock in the 90's. i also listened to some rap. but the problem is that mtv and the radio were my only mediums for music since i wasnt old enough to be buying music. i am sorry if that doesnt meet your expectations. i am sorry i wasnt there to "experience" it when it happened. i only know so much. you like rap, i like scarfpop. i appreciate rap for what it is and have tried to like it on a higher level, but it just isnt happening. i hope you have done the same with the stuff on my singles list. i just think its ridiculous for you to be so righteous about your music tastes to call an entire message board out about it.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm not being righteous about my music tastes, i'd just like to see them well represented, you know, like seeing FIVE Premier or Timbaland tracks up on the list would be something.

And I never questioned your taste you can like whatever you like.
I'm not calling anyone out.

I'm just saying that I think its weird how much british music from this period ppl are throwing up here.

And if you want to turn this into "I'm right that this period was better for the british music because most people here agree" then I'll just turn around and point to how little effect Pulp had on American radio and how little their influence is being felt in today's american pop music (when compared with screw or miami bass)

No one is questioning your right to like whatever you like. Its just a list of music and I have a right to say that I wish there were more people on ILM representing for (insert artist here).

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just saying that I think its weird how much british music from this period ppl are throwing up here.

should read

I'm just saying that I think its weird how much british music with a very similar aesthetic from this period ppl are throwing up here.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to say that pulp, belle & sebastian and saint etienne are very different. pulp has huge anthems, saint etienne is sublime. belle & sebastian is just twee-y pop. they are all different in my book.

regarding the influence on current music... i think that european dance music has a great influence on neptunes type production in rap music.

also, the fact that miami bass and screw have so much influence in the last few years... maybe thats why i am not really interested in a lot of music these last few years.

this board is england-based. i expect british bands to fair well. just as the sound opinions board is chicago-based so there will be a lot of wilco love. wishing that there is more southern rap on a list from england is kinda laughable actually. sad too.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I also think its pretty sad that ppl find it difficult to appreciate music from outside their comfort zone.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

considering my rather unpredictable day tomorrow, I'm getting a head start. 20-11, NOW

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

#20

JAY-Z - "Big Pimpin'" (523 points, 31 votes, 1 first place vote)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004U8ZQ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

comments?

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link

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djdee, do you know my comfort zone? also, do you listen to brit-pop even after you have decided that you really dont like it? i am not going to be diverse for the sake of being diverse. i seek out things that people actively love and i try to be fair in my judgement of the music. in the last year or two i have been introduced to a ton of great genres i would never have listened to. these include northern soul, phil spector productions, 60's era psych, 70's soul, and post-punk. i can also honestly say that i hated 60's psych and post-punk when i first heard them, but i kept giving them chances. i love them now. i also do not hate rap by any means. in fact, i love notorious BIG and a good amount of the "undie" rap and also british *gasp* garage.

dont question my music tastes unless you really know them.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't question your tastes! In fact I specifically said:
And I never questioned your taste you can like whatever you like.
I'm not calling anyone out.

And I also said multiple times that there is britpop that I like.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link

haha I knew I was still awake for some reason (hey gear, does NOW mean in the next hour or are ya gonna take your sweet time with this? It's cool either way I just am trying to figure out if I should get some shut-eye)

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

And yay, big pimpin!

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

#19

DAFT PUNK - "Around the World" (538 points, 36 votes)

http://transbenik.free.fr/Daft/around2.JPG

" "Around The World" had that typically early 80s 4/4 drum beat with handclaps and a Linn-sounding drum machine type og drum sound. The synths were present in techno before it too, but then they would have more like either the standard 2/2 trance beat with roughly the same emphasis on bass drum and snare drum, or they would have breakbeats. "Around The World" was a revival of the more typical early 80s sound in that matter."
-- Geir Hongro

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Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(next hour or so, I gotta sleep too)

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link


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