rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

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I feel better from an electoral standpoint, though not great, as polls and betting markets continue to move towards Biden, and I don't think the memes about Trump sleeping in court and other mockery, which subconsciously weakens him in the mind of low-info voters, is going to help him.

from a "rule of law" standpoint, I am a bit on edge with him and his state-run media at Fox attempting to threaten jurors. I don't know much about contempt, what the judge is allowed to do, etc, so I can't comment on that, but these types of judges are not used to having former sitting Presidents facing criminal trial in court. Particularly ones powerful enough that they can have entire news networks doing their bidding.

I worry that the usual methods of dissuading this behavior may not be effective. a garden-variety CEO under criminal investigation might take threats from the judge seriously, but Trump is an old white man who's gotten his own way and can weaponize millions of people and news organizations, and simply being told 'don't do that, I mean it this time' isn't going to cut it.

help him = help Trump

i’m at home with my dad right now and he has msnbc on all the time and EVERY. SHOW might as well be called “the trump show” it is fucking psychotic, people are transfixed by him, i’m going out of my mind. my dad keeps telling me stuff and i am like please stop talking to me about donald fucking trump. please. i’ve got an idea for msnbc if they think they’re so progressive why not talk about something besides the most loathesome human being in the world just an idea

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I had a similar freakout on Tuesday visiting a friend for happy hour. She works from home and has MSNBC on all the time. She's astoundingly well-informed but I had to tell her OMIGOD IT'S 2016 AGAIN PLEASE STOP.

These judges are all cucks for not having thrown him in jail already

they are all being blackmailed imho

the other thing is...and I am going to carefully state that the following isn't meant as a glamorization of the incarceration system...

Trump could possibly lose the already tenuous grip he has on his own sanity if he went to jail, even for a few days. Not because of the abject awfulness of the experience - in this fantasy scenario where he went to jail for contempt, it'd be a local jail, and he'd be separated from other inmates. He'd probably get his meals faster than other people, his lawyers would be watching closely so he'd get better treatment than other inmates, many in law enforcement probably are his followers, so....he'd be more inconvenienced than anything.

but the indignity of it would infuriate him. "How dare you? ME, Donald Trump, you put ME in jail?". you're not free to come and go as you wish, even when you're treated better than the rest of the population, you're still treated like trash compared to how you were treated in the free world.

I feel like it might scramble his brain to where he can't focus on the election anymore, and he'd be likely to be found in contempt again upon return because he'd be likely to ignore every judge's order, might even publicly threaten the judge or do something that adds new charges.

This is all my fanfic and I know it hinges on Trump getting jail time which I think the chances of happening are less than 2%. But I really feel like if he even spent 1, maybe 2 nights in a local jail, it'd be too much for his fwagile widdle ego and the cheese will finally slide off his cracker. so I'm hoping it happens.

xposts MSNBC is liveblogging the trial and sharing updates on every juror, i.e. "Juror #1 has read Michael Cohen's book, he also likes the New York Yankees".

like who FUCKING CARES? at worst, they might eventually slip up and publish something that helps outsiders identify the juror, but even in the benign cases, WHO REALLY FUCKING CARES? if I wanted that level of meta-detail, I'd watch the news or I'd go into the trial myself with a comedy mustache.

MSNBC would tank without Trump. Nicole Wallace exists so she could talk about Trump for hours. Even Chris Hayes, their only worthwhile reporter/commenter, is following the edict.

Maybe MSNBC could go find some left-wing "populists" to boost instead if they're so scared of losing viewers.

Again, an inspired act of God should happen here

the human body is such a frail thing, people drop dead from heart attacks every day, it's perfectly possible one of them will be this fucking guy

"I hope you like squab!"

https://i.imgur.com/Tja6XAs.jpg

him having an aneurysm in the courtroom would be fun because his lawyers would be so freaked out having him die on their watch they'd probably do everything possible to pretend everything's ok and keep the medics out.

"Mr Trump....hi, Mr Trump, need you to wake up sir. He's fine everyone, he's tired from being kept up all night with this witchhunt. don't worry, go ahead and keep proceedings going, we'll wake him up"

"he's decomposing, it stinks"

"judge can you throw this man out, that's bodyshaming"

Trial At Bernie's

Taking sides: watching the SOTU vs watching msnbc vs watching the SOTU opposition party response

need fourth option - "death"

if he goes to jail for contempt please give him epstein's cell.

it's a lucky cell...

fwiw I do not currently think trump is going to win, I think Dobbs backlash will sweep Biden back into office with congressional majorities and almost nothing else matters

I never cared for what they say.

ty silby!

also possibly weighing on 2scoops' mind re jail is (he maybe ordered, or at least was in the know regarding?) his buddy jeff epstein's demise

total MacBeth moment

Well that would be one heck of a plot twist.

the MAGAts would refuse to admit he's dead and still vote for his corpse of course

A corpse is corpse of course of course
And no one can vote for a corpse of course

is A

I don't like the fact that the news is hyperfixated on him but I understand it. I mean it's not just an ex-President on trial, it's an ex-President and the CURRENT Republican nominee, who may well become President again. and what he's on trial for isn't just normal white-collar fraud, it's something that may well have changed the result of the 2016 election. to say nothing of the OTHER trials he's facing related to his attempt to overturn the 2020 election, including inciting an insurrection at the Capitol. if he skates from all this and becomes President again it seems like the sort of thing America can't come back from. I know it's sickening to have to think about him all the time but this is THE story right now, is it now?

Yeah we're stuck in Trump World in the media at least through the end of the year. Whether it gets renewed for another 4 seasons is TBD.

(Doesn't mean we have to immerse ourselves in it personally, but raging against his omnipresence is futile for now.)

it's renewed indefinitely whether he wins or loses. until he dies.

if he lives to 108 he'll still be launching campaigns

porn star. hush money. election fraud. uhhhhh, these networks don't make much money. you gotta give them this one.

we could have the first SOTA where they have to have a 30 minute break to have a nurse change the President

on some level you almost have to marvel how cable news has become the WWF and 2scoops is king heel kayfabe

porn star. hush money. election fraud. uhhhhh, these networks don't make much money. you gotta give them this one.

"We didn't start the fire..."

I got King Crimson:
"... cigarettes, ice cream, figurines of the Virgin Mary ..."

it's renewed indefinitely whether he wins or loses. until he dies.

I mean, Trump will always be news at some level. But if he loses in November he's done as a central fixation for a lot of people. He'll continue to cultivate his followers for fleecing, but he'll mostly make headlines when he gets convicted or acquitted of things.

If he wins, obviously he returns to center-of-the-universe status. BUT, I really do think the lame-duck syndrome will settle in faster than he expects. Especially because he will be so predictably disastrous and embarrassing. And he'll probably end up impeached again within two years because he just can't help it.

yeah but Project 2025

I mean, Trump will always be news at some level. But if he loses in November he's done as a central fixation for a lot of people.

I hope we can be so lucky, but I'm skeptical. There is still a lot of fucking media people out there who won't be able to quit themselves from covering every grievance and whine he sharts out.

That prarie-faced fuckwad John Kasich just predicted that the Democrats will win the House in November "by a substantial majority, more than people expect" at the moment while the GOP picks up the Senate.

yeah but Project 2025

Like everything these crackpots dream up, a lot easier to say than do. Not that they won't try! And not that they won't do damage. But even assuming that Trump can stick to any particular plan with any level of discipline at all, I think his capacity to deliver is let's say unproven.

I mean, working for the federal govt under a 2nd Trump term will be even more miserable, terrible and crazy-making than it was during the first one. Not trying to minimize that. I just think he's a bit of a, if not paper tiger, old, fat and easily distracted tiger. Who is also congenitally incapable of delegating anything without second-guessing whoever he delegates it to as soon as he thinks they look bad on TV.

if he loses in November he's done as a central fixation for a lot of people.

he'll mostly make headlines when he gets convicted or acquitted of things.

I think his capacity to deliver is let's say unproven.

it's not him I'm worried about, it's the people who plan on putting P25 in place regardless of what he does

Yeah but that's the thing, there is no version of Trump in charge where there are people just going about putting their own agendas in place. He's the one who would have to drive it, he doesn't let anyone else do ANYTHING for very long without throwing them under the bus. And if he doesn't personally care about something, and there's not much he does care about, he's not going to the mat for it because of any ideological principle. He doesn't have any.

I'm not saying don't worry be happy. But having watched how things have played out since 2020, I'm way less persuaded we're on the verge of authoritarian takeover at the national level than I was in 2021 in the immediate aftermath of Jan. 6.

My concerns about authoritarian takeovers at the state level in red states has only increased, however.

Yeah I wouldn’t be so sure the Stephen Millers and Christian Nationalists and forced birth fetishists wont get their way.

They'll obviously be way more catered to under Trump than Biden. He'll issue a bunch of executive orders to make them happy, some of which will survive court challenges. It will be bad! He definitely shouldn't be president again. But he'll also be a lame duck immediately, his popularity ratings will never get close to 50 percent and probably will fall lower than they did in his first term as everyone remembers what it's like to have him as president, and a whole bunch of people in both parties are going to be jockeying to be next in line from day one.

Christian Nationalists in particular face the perennial problem that only like 20 percent of the country wants to live in their demented theocracy.