why late at night in the u.s. does ilm get all yessed out

Kevin Mulryne's YES podcasts are great, nerdy fun to listen to.

I've come around to a lot of Tormato, but the album sounds fucking awful.

sucks bcz oliver's dad was very reinstated 👎🏽

yes i am still salty abt how moraz was treated lol

Didn’t know about the Mulryne podcast but nearly jumped through the roof seeing that there’s an 8 part episode on Tales From Topographic Oceans which is a top 10 of all time for me — but then whoever starts talking about 15 minutes in about the progression from Close to the Edge to Awaken starts going on and on about how he can’t remember a single note from The Remembering and how awful Steve’s guitar sounds on The Ancient and I barely stopped myself from jumping inside my car stereo and letting him know how wrong he is (close call). For one, I feel like The Remembering is probably the poppiest moment on the album (definitely the most vocal heavy) and Steve’s sliding around on The Ancient is one of the coolest bits on the album (esp in relation to the background music he’s sliding over).

I thought I was about to jump into a bunch of TFTO heads really dissecting the album but they all seem to be of the consensus that sides 1 and 4 are the only necessary parts which makes it surprising that this is the first Yes album they decided to tackle in depth.

interested in the Tormato book though lol @ "You'll never hear the album in the same way again!"...do people actually listen to this album often? the condition of the many, many used copies that come into the local shop suggests they don't. though I admit I actually like the weird-as-shit "Arriving UFO"

yes i am still salty abt how moraz was treated lol

really an all-time weird career, I mean his work on Relayer is great, the Refugee album (which I think he wrote the vast majority of) totally rules, and his first solo album is nice...but idk if anything he did after that is worthwhile, after 1976 he's primarily known as the guy who tried to sue the Moody Blues and probably should've won

"You'll never hear the album in the same way again!"

the bit on "The Remembering" where Howe revs up and Jon starts singing "Relayer, all the dying cried before you" is one of my favorite moments in the entire Yes catalogue

do agree the music is a bit bare though, one of those things where they decided to make a bunch of longform tunes without having a whole lot of ideas for them, as opposed to the best prog epics which sound like they had too many ideas and things just spiraled out of control into these amazing semi-cohesive pieces

To me the “:..and I do feel very well” thing on The Remembering is like the catchiest part of their entire catalog, I don’t even like thinking about it because now I’ll probably be singing it in my head the rest of the day.

I’ve never really understood the prevailing sentiment that the album is padded but I do plan to listen to these other 7 episodes to hopefully at least get a sense of what parts people consider those to be (more specifically than sides 2 & 3 as a whole).

moraz claims he wrote like half of going for the one also (which is trufax why it’s good not bad)

meanwhile wakeman on topographic: " 'I don't want to do this free-form jazz" lol why not back to practicing yr scales, fatfinger boy, then you don't fuck them up so often

free-form jazz, what a fkn useless dullard you are rick

mark s hatred for Wakeman is the fire that keeps this thread alive

Is anyone prepared to mount a defence of Rick Wakeman's solo career? I'm not, but maybe there's someone in here who will.

It was as successful as Yes' and I think even outsold then at one point

I like Six Wives and thought Criminal Record was quite good (plus, it's kind of a successful triple entendre, if you believe Wakeman should've gone to jail for making it), the other solo albums I have of his are pretty boring, though I'm curious what some of the later ones sound like

not really sure how to reconcile Wakeman's reputation as the one beer-drinking, meat-eating member of the band with whom you could actually hang out with and have a good time with the fact that he did all this King Arthur on Ice shit

maybe cuz he hung out and recorded with bowie and sabbath? the only ones out of the 10000 dudes who've played in this band as rock star social as wakeman are buford (it's astonishing the same guy drummed for yes, crimson, and genesis!), alan "plastic one band" white, and trevor horn

I vaguely recall reading an interview with the producer of Union where he was like "They were constantly bickering and couldn't physically be in the same room as each other and it got to the point where I had to write most of the music myself. I was a big Yes fan and now hated their guts. Alan White was cool though."

(it's astonishing the same guy drummed for yes, crimson, and genesis!)

And Gong, though nothing was ever released officially (there might be live boots).

Wakeman is all-time you philistines however most of his solo stuff is dreck. I do love Henry VIII and enjoy Criminal Record but his choice in singers is awful. That Ashley-whatever guy bellowing on those early joints...jeezuz.

I like Moraz and Bruford's "Flags" from '85 or something but someone needed to keep Pat away from the pitch bend controller during the Yes days.

xpost to Slim - there's one guy on that podcast who has cloth ears. I think he's Canadian? Says some really dopey stuff.

Not that being Canadian has anything to do with his listening skills.

Didnwe ever discuss Progeny on here? Can’t remember. Cuz am listening straight through as of a half hour ago and it’s supreeeeme yessing out material.

I love it. Yes as kick-ass rock band. The relative rawness of the recordings — there are sound dropouts, a few flubs here and there — makes the performances all the more impressive.

wait, pat smear is listed "project assistance"!

did he tape one of the shows as a child?

listed in wikipedia i mean, i know he's a steve howe fan but he was like 12 when this was recorded

Since so many vids on the thread are no longer available here's one of my selfish faves. It was the only YES show I ever attended and is still one of theeee greates shows I've ever experienced. Well worth sitting through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez07S8hoE3g

oops sorry looks like it can't be posted here. Search "Yes new york city 2004"

Youtube, that is.

Clicking on the Watch on yt link gets me there.

unperson OTM

progeny is yessongs raw and exponentiated. i wish YES got more love not least since maybe there'd be a never-ending grateful dead-esque dick's picks bootleg bonanza. they may not have improv-ed "dark star"-style but i could listen to dozens of "starship trooper"s when they were square in their prime

starship pooper

party trooper

i saw one of the progeny shows! my second concert ever -- nassau coliseum '72. my dad drove us. i think lindisfarne opened but i have no recollection of them whatsoever. yes were cool as hell.

That Nassau show is amazing — the longest version of "Yours is No Disgrace" on the whole box.

At the risk of sounding like the guy who loves everything...

The hate for Tormato completely baffles me, I think it's a really fun album and I have great memories of it, I actually have more overall fondness for it than some of their albums with better highlight tracks.

Wakeman: I really like or love Six Wives, Journey To The Centre, King Arthur, No Earthly Connection, White Rock, Liztomania. That's as far as I've got and I'm ready for much more. I think he he odd choices in singers who fit a bit awkwardly but I still mostly enjoy them. There's bits on King Arthur which really blown me away and I'd love to hear anyone else who got similar effects (the super fast bits and the swirly bits) because I've never heard the like. If I had to recommend one I'd say No Earthly Connection.

Patrick Moraz's debut album is so much better than the funny curiosity I had heard it was, it's really incredible and eclectic. Really looking forward to hearing more of his solo albums, I'm so happy Cherry Red/Esoteric has several albums of his remastered. Hope to buy them all soon.

I feel like there's so many of the Yes solo albums which are second only to the very best Yes albums. I wish more people would check out Animation by Jon Anderson.

...and I hope you all remember I'm rarely this enthusiastic about many things, I really love all this music and it's completely deserving.

https://www.cherryred.co.uk/patrick-moraz-amp-syrinx-coexistence-remastered-cd-edition

nice to see the tradition on men's asses on prog covers was continued

holy shit how have I never heard of that, huge John Mills-Cockell fan here

RAG I think you'll enjoy "Criminal Record".

And Gong, though nothing was ever released officially (there might be live boots).

― nickn

there are boots... he also played for national health! the thing is he did have a very distinctive style, i kinda understand why fripp came and and was like "ok you can be in the band again but NO CYMBALS got it?"

When I ask myself,
“how much yes is too much yes?”
I see that boxed set and think
“that’s too much yes.”

When it first came out I remember joking that since they'd already done Yessongs and Yesshows, this one should just be called Yessss.

haha

The hate for Tormato completely baffles me

it sounds like it was mastered on a coffee filter

I think the problems with it (aside from jon anderson's kid yammering about circuses) are almost all sonic and not related to the quality of the songs themselves. there was some mess up regarding dolby and I think that really impacted it. apparently the multis are missing so without some kind of 'get back' attempt at demixing it that's not going to ever be fixed (and no one is going to put that money forward for this album) unless they show up

never knew that! thx

I have sometimes wondered why I think GFTO and Yesshows both rule but I never clicked with Tormato, this may explain it

and I can also understand why someone loves it b/c of the weird sound

"records that are accidentally sui generis, for better or worse" RFD

Haven’t heard this tomato version that is lately spoken of

And I probably won’t, there’s been too much “yes” irl recently

I've only ever had the remaster and I never really noticed a problem with its sound.

When I ask myself,
“how much yes is too much yes?”
I see that boxed set and think
“that’s too much yes.”

But if you love YES this boxset is not nearly enough. Seriously, though, it's a great listen.