What’s the hive mind opinion of Don Friedman?
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:20 (three weeks ago) link
see Can I flagpost the whole thread for the Barry Harris hate?
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:28 (three weeks ago) link
He's not an innovator. He's a traditionalist
god help us if every musician has to be an "innovator"
― tylerw, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:43 (three weeks ago) link
Sorry, he just really rubs me the wrong way, and I really did not like him in person! His music is fine. The idea of "learning to play bebop correctly" makes me want to die and is part of the reason I dropped out of the music program I was in, which was built on that concept. And I say this as someone who can actually play bebop "correctly."
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:49 (three weeks ago) link
Like no I am not interested in becoming an AI bebop generator, what the fuck is the point of that?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:50 (three weeks ago) link
Well, that's not what I said. But if you're determined not to be an innovator, maybe jazz isn't for you. Maybe you should just play piano in a blues or a country band.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:53 (three weeks ago) link
Meanwhile, here's Miles talking about why he didn't require the players in his band to "know jazz history"https://www.tiktok.com/@ettletodd/video/7349651562203024683?_t=8lFPsTGTris&_r=1
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:53 (three weeks ago) link
Also, even among *just bebop* players, I find Harris pretty unadventurous, fwiw.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:03 (three weeks ago) link
every celebrated "jazz" "innovator" ever has been a traditionalist and the coltrane quartet was basically a fancy blues and country band anyway
― Left, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:09 (three weeks ago) link
yeah I thought bebop was about wrong notes where's the wrong notes
― Left, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:10 (three weeks ago) link
he's fine you know just not the kind of music I'd listen to
― Left, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:11 (three weeks ago) link
dubiousness about the phrase aside, my point stands: harris, by all acounts, was a consummate professional and highly respectable musician. he never did anything cool enough to merit a fucking catchphrase though.
no, not everyone needs to be an innovator to be an expert. but i would think the experts (who know what they're doing) would defer to the innovators.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 23:32 (three weeks ago) link
Jazz is a big tent with ample room inside for lots of different cats of varying stripes.
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 April 2024 01:22 (three weeks ago) link
Dissing Tommy Flanagan, Hank Jones and Barry Harris in one go is basically running down the entire Detroit school of piano– unless you are intentionally making an exception for Roland Hanna– along with the deep well that they were part of and contributed to that also brought us Motown etc.
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 April 2024 01:49 (three weeks ago) link
TBC, I love Tommy Flannagan. I saw his trio live at least three times.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 11 April 2024 01:51 (three weeks ago) link
Now remembering some tangentially relevant funny things I heard Tootie Heath say at Smalls that I’m afraid I can’t type here
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 April 2024 02:01 (three weeks ago) link
Meant to add something to that other post to the effect of “study, study or bonk, bonk on the head with Henry’s Swing Club!”
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 April 2024 02:02 (three weeks ago) link
It's pretty much understood these days that Coltrane practiced so assiduously only in the hope of someday bursting in on a urinating David Crosby
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 11 April 2024 02:15 (three weeks ago) link
Loool!
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 April 2024 02:40 (three weeks ago) link
Just remembered that bit of business in THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS
― Sometimes It POLLS in April (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 April 2024 02:42 (three weeks ago) link