why don’t you drive an EV?

in soviet america, car pays you

Not sure I'd trust the battery in that thing....

If you don’t need to go far every day and can charge at home an e-golf for 1000 bucks will be fine. Test it and if it’s got more than enough range for an average day. They weren’t great just a compliance car, but it’s also unlikely to have done big miles or have been flogged so the normal car stuff won’t have a lot of wear on it.

For 1000 bucks if you get a year out of it great, you’d loose way more in depreciation on anything more expensive. Think of it as a rental of indeterminate length. When it craps out, costs too much to fix, or won’t pass the roadworthy, flog it to someone for 500 or scrap it. This is the way of $1000 cars, ICE or EV.

The bonus with this is it isn’t actually a 1000 dollar car, it’s a more expensive car you’re getting an incentive on.

If you get an e-Golf, try to buy one of the later ones which had enhanced battery packs with longer range, I recall 2017 was the first year for these. Average range went from about 85 miles to 125 miles per recharge (based on US EPA test methods). I drive the gasoline/petrol version of this car, and other than long range the e-Golf has all the goodness found in other Golfs, like loads of room for people and stuff despite the small outside dimensions; quiet, and comfortable to drive. I like how "normal" it is compared to some EVs.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01303-z

Study on EV ownership in Norway, which reveals that ...

Intriguingly, more than half of the households owning battery electric vehicles had three or more of these vehicles in 2022, indicating an unbalanced ownership distribution concentrating on the wealthiest.

Wait, wut? That can't be right, can it? The wealthiest owning EVs, that I can buy (if you pardon the wordplay), but three or more? Maybe something was lost in translation.

half of wealthy ev owning households had three of them, not unusual for a rich couple to have an extra car or maybe they have children who drive the third one, it does seem a little high but maybe thats down to the vagaries of ev ownership, theyve got an extra lying around in case one is out of batteries

That’s wild, I can’t think of any family I know who owns three cars. Are there more multigenerational households in Norway?

there prob are i think that sort of thing is more common in europe, maybe theres some other class of car norwegians are more likely to have like a city car or a truck of excursions to the arctic, maybe they bought early evs that no one wants now so they just kept them idk

fwiw

Most U.S. households (91.7%) had at least one vehicle in 2022 (the latest data available), and 22.1% of households had three or more vehicles.

without clicking but hardly covers eg ski plow or bikes or whatever

its passenger battery electric vehicles

unclear imo i reckon theyre counting scooters and idk ski lifts

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-04-03/hertz-htz-selling-electric-cars-ends-its-failed-tesla-bet
https://archive.ph/uyTuG

In the field, everything started looking different from what was on the spreadsheets. Unlike EV owners comfortable with the idea of charging a car battery at home and on the road, business travelers and vacationers suffered from range anxiety and didn’t want the hassle or worry of having to find a charger in the wild. Rudy Gardner, who as president of Teamsters Local 922 represents Hertz workers at Washington, DC’s Dulles and Reagan National airports, says travelers after a long flight would arrive at those Hertz locations to find that Teslas were the only vehicles available. “People didn’t want to charge them,” he says. “At the end of the night that’s all we had left, so they’d go to Avis.”

Lack of demand was such a problem that Scherr started a program where Hertz agreed to share certain data on EV rentals with cities such as Atlanta, Denver and New York so they’d install more charging stations. Other deals gave customers who rented Teslas for three days an extra day free or offered free charging to anyone who returned an EV with at least a 30% full battery. The company even made symbolic efforts, like donating an EV to a New York technical school for mechanics to learn how to repair it. None of it made a difference.

There were other charging issues, too. While the company had installed its own charging network as part of the electrification push that started in 2021, some older airports, such as New Jersey’s Newark, don’t get enough power from the electricity grid or lack the infrastructure to support the number of so-called Superchargers that Hertz needed to get EVs back on the road in a half-hour or less. Once a Tesla was returned to those locations, Hertz employees often had to drive them for miles to find a Supercharger, which added yet more expense.

Early in 2023, another warning light flashed. Delays due to repair were increasing across Hertz’s entire fleet, and collision costs were jumping, too, but initially neither Scherr nor anyone else could explain why. It wasn’t for at least another quarter that his team broke down the aggregate data and showed the board that the culprit in both cases were Teslas. With electric motors and drivetrains, Teslas were indeed cheaper to maintain than a traditional car, as Wagner and O’Hara predicted in their financial models. The problem was how often they crashed. Newbie Tesla drivers who weren’t used to the car’s instantaneous acceleration and immediate braking were running into obstacles or getting rear-ended, sometimes even before they left the rental lot. Hertz’s Teslas got into accidents four times more often than the company’s other vehicles. Unlike major automakers, Tesla doesn’t have an extensive network of franchised dealers to help with service and repair, leaving owners subject to the company’s availability and schedule. Some of Hertz’s Teslas were idled for extended periods as a result. “They couldn’t get parts, even simple things like an outside mirror,” says Alex Rojas, the business agent representing Hertz workers for Teamsters Local 222 in Salt Lake City. “They just sat there for weeks not getting rented and not making money.”
When Hertz was able to get its Teslas fixed, the costs were exorbitant compared with those of repairing other makes. A radar assembly for the Autopilot driver-assist system can cost $1,500 to replace and as much as $3,000 to calibrate. Many Teslas had to be junked altogether, because a crash could result in a permanent misalignment of the body panels or because the risk of battery damage made them uninsurable. That, combined with the higher rate of accidents than on Hertz’s other vehicles, led to a spike in repair bills. In 2023, Hertz reported the cost of operating its vehicles was $5.5 billion, up 13% from the previous year and 39% from 2021, partly because of collision and damage.

Interesting, thanks. A guy from a car rental place in the UK told me they only rented out Teslas to people who'd driven them before... this was a couple of years ago.

wondering now what exactly happens to "junked" Teslas, do they just go straight in a landfill or is there any kind of recycling/reclamation?

saved in a warehouse to be ferried to mars for the colonists to drive

The problem was how often they crashed. Newbie Tesla drivers who weren’t used to the car’s instantaneous acceleration and immediate braking were running into obstacles or getting rear-ended,

ridiculous that a car run on software hasnt isnt tuned to not do this stuff, you could have a performance drive mode if you want it to be like that but normally its just not desirable behavior

wondering now what exactly happens to "junked" Teslas, do they just go straight in a landfill or is there any kind of recycling/reclamation?

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, April 4, 2024 8:51 AM (thirteen minutes ago)

https://www.wired.com/story/why-teslas-totaled-in-the-us-are-mysteriously-reincarnated-in-ukraine/

ty!

kid in the neighborhood has a tesla and let me drive it once, there is a 'dummy' mode that limits the accel xp

just seems insane that hertz went all-in on EVs without doing some sort of pilot program first

the dummy mode should be the standard mode tho is the thing

we are tesla showroom dummies

It seems insane that *EVs* went all in on EVs without a stable and widely available charging infrastructure. At least in the US.

i want this

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/01-gwm-ora-funky-cat-rt-2023-lead-track.jpg?itok=jpJ6GQel

Ora Funky Cat Saloon 07 2024

ok you can have it

lol

ty

np

That car looks awesome - like an updated Lancia or something.