Let's talk about Gil Evans

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I have no trouble believing all that stuff is great. I need to dive in.

Matos W.K., Thursday, 13 August 2009 01:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

feel free to be bewildered by THIS record. cuz it's three tracks written by John Carisi, and arranged and conducted BY John Carisi, and three tracks written by Cecil Taylor, arranged and conducted BY Cecil Taylor(!!!). and it's a great record! and archie shepp completists need it.


scott seward, Thursday, 13 August 2009 02:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't own a copy of this and i really need one. i always forget to check ebay for copies. i'll get one eventually.


scott seward, Thursday, 13 August 2009 02:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm not the biggest bossa nova baby in the world, but i was really enjoying this album in the store this week. i have a soft spot for astrud.


scott seward, Thursday, 13 August 2009 02:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Gil Evans singlehandedly responsible for dominant orchestral soundtrack sound of 60s and 70s TV

I'd argue Shorty Rogers for this point (especially since Shorty gave Mancini his break), but I'm big on a Gil Evans/George Russell/Bill Evans kick, these days.

PappaWheelie V, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

ooh i should get that.

tylerw, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

This sounds like it could be good:
The Gil Evans Centennial Project: Newly-discovered works of Gil Evans

Brad C., Friday, 11 March 2011 21:35 (six years ago) Permalink


The first time I heard Out Of The Cool it was one of those epiphanies. It's still a constant touchstone in my head for a certain timbral environment that I wish more records visited. The only other Gil I have which hits the same feel for me is Individualism. But it sounds like I need to hear those two Pacific Jazz LPs. Some of the 70s and 80s Gil is a little fonky for me.

Later on I found some of the same feel in the orchestral work of Delius; it was neat then to read somewhere that Gil was a Delius freak...

I love Du but I've chosen Balloon Guy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 March 2011 22:34 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Happy 100th birthday, Gil Evans.

Here's a review of the Centennial album.

Brad C., Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:18 (five years ago) Permalink

happy b-day. this is pretty groovy. kind of coming around on gil's hendrix album, did not like it much at all when i first heard it, but now i'm digging it.

tylerw, Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:53 (five years ago) Permalink

ooh and here's a whole show from the 70s too
pretty killer band. too bad that miles and evans didn't do a little more work together in the 70s -- would've been interesting to see how Gil would deal with, say, the Agharta band.

tylerw, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:05 (five years ago) Permalink

gil did work with miles on a lot of miles' 70's stuff. even though it was often uncredited.

scott seward, Monday, 14 May 2012 00:01 (five years ago) Permalink

oh yeah? what stuff? i know they were in touch all the time during those years and probably bounced plenty of ideas off one another, but i didn't know there are actual tracks on miles' albums that evans arranged.

tylerw, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:31 (five years ago) Permalink

That Barcelona video is great! I wonder what year that is?

Brad C., Monday, 14 May 2012 02:02 (five years ago) Permalink


Brad C., Monday, 14 May 2012 02:09 (five years ago) Permalink

any idea who the guitarist is in that Barcelona clip?

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 02:15 (five years ago) Permalink

"oh yeah? what stuff?"

there is a great book on gil that details some of this. basically, miles ALWAYS wanted gil's input on just about anything he did and gil worked with him on lots of his albums in the studio and also helped him with writing. there are people who think miles should have given gil more writing/arranging/production credits than he did but gil didn't really care. he helped miles with his music until the very end. he was there for him no matter what. money or no money.

scott seward, Monday, 14 May 2012 02:32 (five years ago) Permalink

Gil Evans : out of the cool : his life and music / Stephanie Stein Crease <-- I need a copy of this

I think it's this book that describes Miles and Gil having lengthy phone conversations during which all they did was watch TV together

Brad C., Monday, 14 May 2012 02:45 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

any excuse to bump this thread

Maria Schneider Selects 12 Essential Gil Evans Tracks

Spotify playlist of her picks

Brad C., Monday, 2 September 2013 15:08 (four years ago) Permalink

the thornhill stuff is so great.

scott seward, Monday, 2 September 2013 15:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm enjoying the Thornhill and "Birth of the Cool" arrangements on here:


Brad C., Monday, 2 September 2013 18:20 (four years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

I have been giving The Individualism of Gil Evans and Out Of The Cool some serious play today. Fucking great albums, probably not surprising considering the personnel involved but they have that Gil Evans touch.

calzino, Thursday, 25 May 2017 19:35 (five months ago) Permalink

Shit i thought this was a bill evans thread. Greatest of all jazz pianists. Gil evans on the other hand never did it for me. Whatever i jeard of his, it was always too orchestral, too much over the top. Quite the opposite of the tranquil beauty of bill evans. I probably don't know gil evans music enough.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 25 May 2017 22:02 (five months ago) Permalink

I do agree with that last sentence. Alls I heard was Blah Blah the rest!

calzino, Thursday, 25 May 2017 22:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Out of the cool is an all time top 20 record for me, it's just fucking perfect

twink peas it is happening again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 26 May 2017 00:24 (five months ago) Permalink

Aye, it truly is an exquisite piece of work. I thought that totally smoking guitar on it was Kenny Burrell cos it sounds lot like him, but it's Ray Crawford - known for being in Ahmad Jamal's band. Obviously working with Miles rubbed off on him somewhat, but I haven't heard much of his early gear to tell.

calzino, Friday, 26 May 2017 09:50 (five months ago) Permalink

Love Johnny Coles on Out of the Cool too, 'Where Flamingos Fly' is just such a beautiful 'frozen moment' piece of music.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 26 May 2017 10:13 (five months ago) Permalink

This record might have been the first one to show me frozen moment music. So that when laughing stock came out a few years later I was like YES THIS BUT EVEN MORE SO

twink peas it is happening again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 26 May 2017 13:20 (five months ago) Permalink

In my early days as a jazz fan, after I got through with the Miles + Gil Evans box set, I found out that Gil had albums under his own name and this really got me excited. So, I hurried down to the used record store and headed straight for the "E" section in the jazz racks. Only album of Gil's in there was Out of the Cool, so I of course picked it up. I immediately loved it, as it was like his stuff with Miles, but with a more impressionistic overall vibe. For years, I kept the album, revisiting it sporadically and really just loving from the vantage point of, "This is the guy that worked with Miles."

Fast forward and I'm reading a current interview with David Axelrod, where he was talking about an album "that changed everything" for him. What was that album? Out of the Cool.

I was floored. Never, through all my listenings of the album, did I ever hear it with the thought that it had been so influential on my favorite music maker. I immediately went back to the album with this fresh thought in mind and it was a total paradigm shift in how the album sounded. It was so obvious, all along, that Axelrod adored this album. I actually felt a little dumb for not noticing sooner.

Such an all time classic.

Austin, Friday, 26 May 2017 18:48 (five months ago) Permalink

i wish more people would listen to those Live At The Public Theater albums. Two volumes. I love those so much. If you like sprawling shaggy pot-smoking big band records they are hard to beat. but i kinda like it all. love the sweet basil live sets too.

skot otm

also both volumes of Live at Umbria Jazz

Brad C., Friday, 26 May 2017 19:16 (five months ago) Permalink

My entry to Gil - other than the Miles stuff - was via Woebot's mix for Blogariddims. Barbara Song destroyed me and still does. From there I went to Individualism, Birth of the Cool and a couple of the later live albums. Will check the Umbria live stuff for sure.

That Woebot mix is ace, and on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/user/jwheare/playlist/5PKt17yVZ6LJpmgrTAmnJR

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 26 May 2017 21:20 (five months ago) Permalink

there should really be a live bootleg series of orchestra shows over the years. like dick's picks only i would buy them.

scott seward, Friday, 26 May 2017 21:33 (five months ago) Permalink

there were always japanese guys in the corner recording when i would go see him at sweet basil. must be tons of audio out there.

scott seward, Friday, 26 May 2017 21:34 (five months ago) Permalink

THANK YOU for the tip on these Live At The Public Theater albums! So funky!

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:31 (five months ago) Permalink

Paris Blues with Steve Lacey is a hell of a lovely piano/sax duo album. I especially love the mellow Fender Rhodes flourishes and very open interpretation of standards.

calzino, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:42 (five months ago) Permalink

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