xp I can't stand the film enough to sit through it, but one of the most horrid conceits about Dirty Dancing is how they anachronistically shove mucusy '80s shlock into a story that plays out in the summer of 1963. Anachronisms can be brilliant, but not in the service of horrendous taste.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:40 (one month ago) link
yeah, you are way wrong. The movie's rather good, especially since it foregrounds the young heroine's sexuality: she wants this dancer and she gets him. And there's an abortion in this movie! And no one apologizes for it.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:42 (one month ago) link
If you don't think "I've Had the Time of My Life" works in context as beautifully as Solomon Burke's "Cry to Me" does in the seduction scene, then *throws hands up*
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:43 (one month ago) link
Movie not bad, but some people complain that for authenticity the music really should have been Latin, had the Latin Tinge.
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:59 (one month ago) link
The abortion was probably done well. It's not likely I've seen the whole movie - I've seen large chunks at different times - but the earliest bit of plot I can remember from the film was Orbach's father character finding out because they need his help and he gets really angry about it. But it sounds like I missed some crucial context and that would mean a lot in 1987.
Hate to say it, but I didn't enjoy the ending...again, given the way I probably saw it, maybe it needed some context or some kind of build because as-is it just seemed formulaic and corny.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:05 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSaC8X7oNiA
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:05 (one month ago) link
(re: mean a lot in 1987, the idea that abortion is okay even if the elders don't think so )
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:06 (one month ago) link
Yeah sorry forgot about that mambo. I think some people wanted even more of that.
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:07 (one month ago) link
Formulaic and corny are the point of a musical!
Sorry. Jennifer Grey and Patrick Swayze have genuine chemistry, and it was and remains fascinating that the liberal Jewish gamine seduces the Irish blockhead while an abortion happens around her.
And, to put a period on this discussion, for millions of us '80s kids we learned about "Be My Baby," "Stay," Otis Redding's great obscurity "Love Man," "Do You Love Me?" and Solomon Burke's "Cry to Me" thanks to how forward this film was about sex.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:08 (one month ago) link
I mean, I'm younger and gayer than you guys, so this film codes differently.
And ask the millions of young women who made it a staple of their coming-of-age.
the liberal Jewish gamine seduces the Irish blockhead while an abortion happens around her
To be fair, this does indeed sound interesting. Was Swayze's character Catholic?
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:10 (one month ago) link
It doesn't come up. All he wants to do is dance. And make romance. That's part of this film's queerness too: dancing is his life like it isn't for the women, in part b/c he can love'em and leave'em.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:12 (one month ago) link
Was Swayze's character Catholic?
Is the Pope an Irish blockhead?
― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:14 (one month ago) link
Does a bear eat Raspberries in the woods?
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:28 (one month ago) link
Is that what’s bothering you, Bunkie?
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:33 (one month ago) link
who’s coming in here saying anything against my beloved Dirty Dancing… ESPECIALLY not having seen the whole thing? cmon. Dirty Dancing a)rules ii)is awesome thirdly) is unimpeachable and 4) perfect in every way Besmirch the excellence of Ms Grey, Mr Swayze and Cynthia Rhodes aka the former Mrs Richard Marx AT YOUR PERILhonestly it’s very good
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:41 (one month ago) link
DD rules in every possible respect
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 23:49 (one month ago) link
I mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtZFfEy_Eyk
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 00:07 (one month ago) link
pass the kleenex i’m bawling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxL84qrV_LU
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 00:40 (one month ago) link
ORBACH THE GOAT
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 00:41 (one month ago) link
“When I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong”
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 00:49 (one month ago) link
only Gene Hackman could've said the line besides Orbach.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 01:09 (one month ago) link
On my Mt Rushmore of best movie dadsalong with Gregory Peck, Steve Martin & Tom Hanks
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 01:19 (one month ago) link
This thread has become the equivalent of all the "Dirty Dancing Singer Dies" obit leads.
However, on that tip TIL Carmen co-wrote "Almost Paradise" from Footloose.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 01:54 (one month ago) link
see! he wrote everything! so many good songs
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 02:04 (one month ago) link
I had forgotten about his solo song “Never Gonna Fall in Love Again,” which I kind of used to have a little bit of a sweet spot for.
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 05:15 (one month ago) link
yeah i like that one too!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 05:29 (one month ago) link
Also forgot how much I like “Don’t Want To Say Goodbye.”
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 05:35 (one month ago) link
“I Don’t Know What I Want” does indeed sound a lot like “Won’t Get Fooled Again” but it also sounds a bit like “No More Mr. Nice Guy.”
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 05:42 (one month ago) link
... which was inspired by "Substitute", and then later covered by Roger Daltrey on an Alice Cooper tribute album!
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 12:28 (one month ago) link
😳
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:28 (one month ago) link
was listening to the raspberries s/t this morning love this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZJlYh8i7ZY
he could really channel mccartney like few others outside of emitt rhodes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:33 (one month ago) link
That's a Wally Bryson song though.
― man in suit and red tie raising his fist (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link
ahh I didn't know that, good on Wally
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 17:04 (one month ago) link
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, March 12, 2024 7:08 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
If you weren't a tween girl or gay when Dirty Dancing came out you don't get to shit all over it. It was life changing.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 17:14 (one month ago) link
But on Eric C - I loved him so much when I was a kid. My mom bought me his greatest hits when I wouldn't stop talking about how "Make me Lose Control" was my favorite song lol. My mind was also blown when I figured out he was the singer from the Raspberries which didn't happen until I was in college listening to a power pop comp. Hell of a song writer.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 17:17 (one month ago) link
I am starting to recall that back in the day when I was coming up you wouldn’t really hear them on the radio that much because they didn’t quite fit the formats for reasons discussed upthread.
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:07 (one month ago) link
I was pretty happy though when I called into my college radio station and they played “I Wanna Be With You” albeit after explaining “there was this group called The Raspberries.”
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:09 (one month ago) link
I know where I first heard or became aware of "Go All the Way". It's the song playing in Fast Times when J Jason Leigh and Damone do it in the dugout.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:12 (one month ago) link
To me this stuff is the male equivalent of The Shirelles’s “Tonight’s the Night.”
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:22 (one month ago) link
Much closer to that than to Spinal Tap’s “Tonight I’m Gonna Rock You Tonight.”
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:24 (one month ago) link
It's the song playing in Fast Times when J Jason Leigh and Damone do it in the dugout.
isn't that "somebody's baby" by Jackson Browne?
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:24 (one month ago) link
Is this one of this somebody didn’t buy the rights for the home video version things?
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 21:56 (one month ago) link
How bizarre.
I remember being particularly scandalized by that whilst watching John Sayles’s “Baby, It’s You.”
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 21:57 (one month ago) link
One of those…
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 22:06 (one month ago) link
It's the song playing in Fast Times when J Jason Leigh and Damone do it in the dugout.isn't that "somebody's baby" by Jackson Browne?
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, March 13, 2024 2:24 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
that's my memory but i remember from the you must remember this podcast that there are like 4 distinct edits of Fast Times that are floating around, and that scenes I remember well weren't in the original movie
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 22:14 (one month ago) link
so the imdb page covers all of this in typically frustrating crowd-sources fashion. there were lots of tussles over music rights for home video, cable, etc., and eventually all the original music was restored, but:
1999 DVD version is completely restored and contains all of the music and scenes from the theatrical version. The entire soundtrack has been restored, including Timothy B. Schmidt's "So Much In Love", Tom Petty's "All Amercan Girl," and "Goodbye, Goodbye" which had been omitted in several other versions.
there is no such song as Tom Petty's "All American Girl," although the imdb entry refers to this repeatedly.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 22:18 (one month ago) link
One time I saw Wim Wenders at MoMA MY
― There Will Come Claude Rains (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 22:19 (one month ago) link
there is no such song as Tom Petty's "All American Girl,"
That was his obscure series of YA novels.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 22:23 (one month ago) link