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its not for me but i have my own things like that. totally get the love.

i used to own a lot of melanie records.

speaking of jonathan richman, i can't listen to john cale records for the life of me. i turn them off so quick. they repel me? i dunno. i've tried. i own a copy of the terry riley record. but that's it.

not exactly a controversial opinion. not saying he wasn't talented obviously. and he was a cool producer to be sure. and jeez, i mean, i owe him so much, so i always feel a little bad that his own music leaves me so cold. but then i think part of his point is to be really chilly and abrasive. but i guess lou's brand of chilly and abrasive is more my cuppa. maybe welsh poetry isn't my bag?

i'm pricing copies of animal justice and caribbean sunset right now so maybe i'll give them the old college try again. and i HAVE tried over many years.

i wish you all could hear the pristine OG copy of the first stooges i was playing for my kids during winter break. i never need a re-done/remastered/etc version of that album including that cale version that came out a while back. the production/sound/engineering of that album - again 1st u.s. pressing - is - and i never say this or hardly ever about rock records - it's perfect. its a perfect thing. the only thing more perfect is the sealed rhino reissue vinyl i have where they blurbed me on the cover sticker. now THAT is perfection. that's when i knew i could quit rockriting. i had achieved rockriter nirvana.

i'm thinking now that i've never heard caribbean sunset? and eno is on it. i'll put it on next.

As the counterculture of the late '60s had hippie youth rebelling all over the place, the Monkees did so in their very own movie. They go after cops, corporations, television, advertising, warmongers, post-industrial America, their haters, their groupies—even Christmas.

IS NOTHING SACRED???!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl5ZK-UlqxA

My CCR knowledge is paltry (I had beat up vinyl copies of 20 greatest hits and green river as a tween) but that Woodstock set has some pretty potent Dark Arts energy

Let’s make an electric storm is the vibe

but then i think part of his point is to be really chilly and abrasive. but i guess lou's brand of chilly and abrasive is more my cuppa. maybe welsh poetry isn't my bag?

"Paris 1919" is certainly not chilly and abrasive.

either is the eno/cale album

i'm pricing copies of animal justice and caribbean sunset right now so maybe i'll give them the old college try again. and i HAVE tried over many years.

TBH these are not the albums I'd go to to re-invigorate an interest in Cale

Hedda Gabler!! B-side of Animal Justice

not a big fan of the other one though

I'm not a massive fan of the John Cale stuff I've heard tbh. I don't hate it or anything just not really into it. I like Fear though.

Tbh I don’t really care that much if people don’t like artists that I like, it’s more about letting the record show etc. I don’t listen to every Jonathan Richman or John Cale album either.

I've never gotten into solo Cale, though I do love Songs for Drella.

I avoided that one for ages and finally listened last year I think. I'll keep two of his, "Style It Takes" and "A Dream."

With both these guys there are the obvious high points and then some scattered moments. Both of them have really interesting personalities, backstories and relationships with music and other musicians, but if it's just not someone else's thing or thang: if it don't fit, don't force it. No compute.

weird, I can't imagine at least not loving Paris 1919. Two of the band on that are from Little Feat, not among the chilliest post punkers

my dad and maria and i went out for lunch around the corner in turners falls and this guy from brooklyn opened up an awesome hepcat bookstore there and i was SO CLOSE to buying that Roadrunner book. funny that he had it after this thread. it was the only 33&1/3 book that he had. and i like josh and think he's a really good writer and maybe i'll go back and get it. i just didn't know when i would read it. i got the ayler holy ghost book and a strange celestial road sun ra book. its where my head is at. that's where i got that steve reich conversations book. such a cool store. my dad scooped me and got a couple of raymond chandler books i've been wanting. i've got dibs when he's done with them.

listening to that john cale record and i'm digging it! the production is fucked! dig the guitarist. don't even know who he is. the production is dirty and raw and loud. only on track two.

i haven't tried listening to paris 1919 in.....several years. i'll try again when i get a copy. i know everyone loves that one. maybe i'm finally old and cranky enough to be a big cale fan! that's why i never say never.

That Albert Ayler book is great. Clears up a lot of mysteries around his life.

This thread has been pretty fascinating for several days now. I don't listen to Jonathan Richman for the same reason I don't listen to Raffi. And John Cale is pretty NFM, too. I don't hate him the way I hate Lou Reed, but...NFM. But if either of them is your thing, good for you.

Note that clemenza already corrected my error and pointed out that the "Roadrunner" book is NOT part of the 33 1/3 series but rather the Singles series.

i'm probably gonna go back for that alan licht common tones book. i am just so in love with interviews. mostly the only music writing i read now. oral histories. interviews. art taylor's notes and tones might be my favorite music book. it is so inspiring to me.

i did not buy the tricia romano village voice book. maybe if it goes to paperback. i love her and everything. and it also does the oral history thing. but only so many new books i can buy at once. they ain't cheap!

right, singles not 33 1/3.

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okay the 2nd side of this cale album is starting to drag. but the first side was cool. i've been listening to tons of post-punk for months and some of it fits in there with that kinda thing.

i'm probably gonna go back for that alan licht common tones book. i am just so in love with interviews. mostly the only music writing i read now. oral histories. interviews. art taylor's notes and tones might be my favorite music book. it is so inspiring to me.

Trumpeter Jeremy Pelt has a series of books of interviews with other jazz musicians, some older and some younger; he's just put out the fourth volume, and you can get them all from his webstore.

sweet. cheers. there is a library of congress archive of Q&As that i spent half the pandemic reading.

Wow, that looks pretty good, thanks.
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what should i call my new band that just does 20 minute drone/motorik versions of creedence songs like "bootleg" and "effigy"?

i was thinking maybe CeeCeeArrrrr!!

but maybe that sucks. also i don't start bands. but i wish i could start that band. we would end with a 20 minute "foggy notion" done as creedence and "pagan baby" done as VU.

Was just thinking of your brother and his band for some reason.

In keeping with my latest bevy of posts about Rush (Geddy’s book has me diving headfirst into their entire catalog again for the first time in ages), here’s one that I may be the only person on Earth to hold: Caress of Steel is probably my favorite album of theirs.

caress of steel is underrated. so is hemispheres probably.

my three favorite rush records in no particular order: a farewell to kings, permanent waves, all the world's a stage.

i know, a live album. but along with unleashed in the east and one for the road kinda my fave rock live album.

my favorite genesis album is a trick of the tail so i feel the caress of steel thing. not a lot of people's favorite choice.

You know more than I know.

Trick of the Tail rules

Caress of Steel is probably the closest Rush got to being a psych band, for good or ill

For a second I read that as Caves of Steel and thought it was some kind of Asimov-inspired project.

I’m more partial to Rush in the ’80s; seeing them play Moving Pictures on the Time Machine tour made me a fan, and a few months ago I picked up Signals and Grace Under Pressure for cheap a record fair. But Hemispheres is phenomenal. Such a staggering leap forward from A Farewell to Kings.

listening to Caress of Steel right now, sounding great, never understood its reputation as a dud. I think the label really hated the cover art iirc (which, fair) I'm assuming that was a much bigger factor back then in success

its nice that he saw god in VU. a lot of people probably saw death. i wonder how he felt about ccr the west coast death choogle band. the yin to the yang. or maybe they were the yang to VU's yin. i forget.

― scott seward

the black angel's god song

I think we had the CCR/Velvets discussion when the Live at Woodstock album surfaced a few years ago. There’s even one song that sounds a lot like “The Gift.”

― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, February 25, 2024 8:45 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

But for all the similarities mentioned, they're still more different than similar, at least from a facile listen

― H.P, Sunday, February 25, 2024 8:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

By which song I mean “Born on the Bayou.”

― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, February 25, 2024 8:48 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

And it sounds like “Lady Godiva’s Operation,” not “The Gift.”

― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs)

"born on the bayou" if it was was a surgery horror song about a femme getting a black market lobotomy to treat her gender dysphoria

wouldn't the ccr/vu nexus center on the andy warhol museum recording of the vu singing "suzie q" over the "european son" music?

…But, y’know, it’s fleeting… after that, they sound like a very good rootsy rock band. I just don’t really hear CCR as experimental rock music.

― Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp)

what do folks think of trad, gras, och stenar's "satisfaction"? any of y'all hear any choogle there, or is it more straight motorik?

i like caress of steel. people dunk on them for doing a song about worrying about going bald but that's some real fuckin' feels for me. when my friends talk about MPB they generally don't mean brazilian popular music.

it is kind of wild to think about, like is there only one song ever addressing an extremely common fear experienced by billions of people over history?

LCD Soundsystem's "Losing My Hair"

what do folks think of trad, gras, och stenar's "satisfaction"? any of y'all hear any choogle there, or is it more straight motorik?

It's not even motorik. It's what I tend to think of as powwow rhythm, and it doesn't really work. None of the elements of their version of the song really work together. The riff doesn't synch up with the beat, the vocals are so aimless they're like proto-Sonic Youth, and the beat is just...there, except for a couple of big fills where it feels like he's trying to imitate Doug Clifford on "Suzie Q" but he's such a lazy Scando hippie he can't really get it together. I mean, I like Träd, Gräs a lot, but they were much better on their originals than their covers.

heh, I remember always having reservations about them, even during the height of my taking whatever Other Music was giving.

is this controversial? i want to say Murmur - and i could - but my heart says Lifes Rich Pageant. that's probably not very controversial unless you hate john cougar drums but we have already established on another thread that i am a brix-era fall fan so big fucking dumb booming drums are no problem for me.

that tour ruled by the way. LRP tour. omg. feelies opened. omg.

I tried getting into Träd, Gräs but something about the music just bummed me out.

it is kind of wild to think about, like is there only one song ever addressing an extremely common fear experienced by billions of people over history?

Beach Boys, "She's Goin' Bald".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7_RFUQW5no

it is kind of wild to think about, like is there only one song ever addressing an extremely common fear experienced by billions of people over history?

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

and yet, there's no shortage of songs shaming AMAB femmes for wearing dresses